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Old 03-01-2020, 07:24 AM
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How many pilots did delta furlough after 9/11? Just out of curiosity
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Old 03-01-2020, 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
It would depend on the impact of the virus. If it becomes as bad as many so called experts are stating airlines will be in a survival mode.
Would be nice to have some of that 15B back that we flushed down the drain for absolutely no long term value whatsoever so a few EPS based bonuses could be very slightly higher. Because they did that, if times get tough they may have to issue shares at falling knife prices. B-School genius.
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Old 03-01-2020, 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by weekendflyer View Post
How many pilots did delta furlough after 9/11? Just out of curiosity
Going from memory here so while not exact these numbers are pretty close. DAL peaked at a little over 10,000 Pilots on the seniority list in July 2001, about 750-1000 of these were FEs. About 1100 Pilots were then furloughed from November 2001 to January 2003. Furloughs then stopped for 2 months until March 2003 when DAL furloughed about another 250 when the Gulf War started. The arbitrator that was working the Force Majeure issue on the "No Furlough" clause ruled that this second group of 250 furloughs was not justified, and the company had to recall them. Some of these guys actually got paid time off but others did not - I don't know how this was decided.

So the No Furlough clause did have some albeit very limited value after all.

Keep in mind the situation then was much different. Back then we quickly parked all the three crew member aircraft resulting in all flight engineers bumping into Pilot spots causing more furloughs. We were not actively hiring and were very fat on Pilots. Much different situation now.

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Old 03-01-2020, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74 View Post
Highly unlikely...but a worthwhile contingency for which to plan and budget.
Always a good idea to have 6 months operating expenses available, minimum.

Even DALPA came out several months ago and recommended setting aside some of the Feb 14 bonus for a potential "strike fund".

That's saved my bacon more than once in my life. Airlines are a heck of roller coaster.
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Old 03-01-2020, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by weekendflyer View Post
How many pilots did delta furlough after 9/11? Just out of curiosity
1310. Mike B. to Troy K.
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Old 03-01-2020, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by interceptorpilo View Post
Agree with above. This may actually be good for Delta. We are the best positioned for this. It may be the thing that puts certain competitors out of business. Frontier, JetBlue, Norwegian, Spirit? American?? Just spitballing.
That sounds exactly like managments-of-the-past failed "last man standing" strategy in the years following 9/11. United and US Air were going to fail any day now.

That didn't work out so well.

The more things change, the more they stay the same....
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Old 03-01-2020, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by nuball5 View Post
Why don’t you relax a little or at least hide your excitement for other airlines closing their doors and pilots being on the street (which won’t happen.) The Coronavirus will pass at some point. The time to be an airline pilot has been so good for awhile, that some of you don’t know how to act when things get tough. That includes the person that created this topic.
^^^^^^^^This. +717.
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Old 03-01-2020, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
The chance of furloughs at Delta with the way our contract is structured is almost zero. In addition to the contractual issues the structure of the fleet makes furloughs with under a 2 year expectation of return simply not viable. If I worked for a airline with a limited number of fleet types I would be far more concerned.
What should be a concern at Delta is we are working with a amendable contract. The company has the ability to rewrite the contract without going through the chapter 11 process. If this virus progresses as some predict, it may well be the company requesting a release to self help in the fall not the union.
This the by far the most clueless of your posts ever and that is saying something.
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Old 03-01-2020, 08:37 AM
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Delta’s annual fuel expense is down close to $2 BILLION.

Deep breaths.

2018-2019 Flu numbers35 million had flu

35,000 died

2019 deaths in car accidents 1.35 million.
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Originally Posted by gzsg View Post
Delta’s annual fuel expense is down close to $2 BILLION.

Deep breaths.

2018-2019 Flu numbers35 million had flu

35,000 died

2019 deaths in car accidents 1.35 million.
Thanks for expert analysis, professor. Any other irrelevant facts you'd like to add?
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