23K/Recovery Questions Thread
03-28-2020, 03:32 PM
#141
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I have a trip March 31 through April 3. I received a CNO message about a trip change - the first turn of the trip on 3/31 is still intact but everything else disappeared - no 23K listed. I am assuming I am pay protected but it happened a couple days ago and there is nothing reflected on March or April time card except for the intact turn. Any ideas on pay protection and recovery?
03-28-2020, 03:39 PM
#142
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Originally Posted by Jaww
what does your time card show? He said on the phone no recovery obligation but the original trio footpeint is there with 23K on my sked?
03-28-2020, 03:40 PM
#143
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Originally Posted by fishforfun
Is it possible to be in a situation that 3 one day trips in a row have been NOOPd, 23k placed on them but have no recovery obligation? I was told by the schedulers that because it’s a day trip I am unable to be useful according to 23k rules now. I’m seeing a couple green slips in my category but haven’t been called.
'23K’ is only a pay code, not an indication of whether you have a recovery obligation or not
03-28-2020, 03:43 PM
#144
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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
Here's a dumb noob question: I have multiple trips in April where all flying on the first day or two of the trip is cancelled but there still legs that say "LEG TIMES DO NOT MATCH" but none of them have been NOOP'd or show 23K. I assume some of that will change as we get into April and there is more clarity on the schedule. But if nothing changes, what's my obligation? Am I still required to be available at report time just to call CS and ask "now what?" and expect to be assigned 23K? Is it considered RR territory at that point? If I commute to base and then don't operate for an entire day, am I entitled to a hotel room or am I on my own? So many Q's and very few A's that I've been able to devine out of the contract.
03-28-2020, 03:47 PM
#145
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
My timecard reflects pay and credit for the original rotation.
03-28-2020, 04:13 PM
#146
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
Yes, possible.
'23K’ is only a pay code, not an indication of whether you have a recovery obligation or not
'23K’ is only a pay code, not an indication of whether you have a recovery obligation or not
edit: I don’t know why this is bolding the quote.
03-28-2020, 04:22 PM
#147
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Originally Posted by fishforfun
So would I not be eligible for GSs?
edit: I don’t know why this is bolding the quote.
edit: I don’t know why this is bolding the quote.
03-28-2020, 04:25 PM
#148
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
Only way to know if you have the recovery obligation or not is either call CS or the Delta ALPA Scheduling Committee. Unfortunately we pilots don’t have access to the recovery roster via iCrew.
03-28-2020, 04:36 PM
#149
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Originally Posted by fishforfun
Crew sked said no recovery obligation but I didn’t get a call for GSs that went out.
03-28-2020, 05:42 PM
#150
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
Scheds can only make one change to original rotation prior to report...the change 1 becomes the 23K recovery rotation. If they change that rotation, It’s a violation of the PWA because we aren’t under the double 23K rule. If you call Scheds and they won’t make adjustments, Im 99% sure it’s a fly now grieve later item. Email info to DALPA scheduling committee. They will make sure you get paid correctly and the pilot that was passed over for a WS/GS gets paid as well.
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