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Turbo1 03-31-2020 04:21 PM
Originally Posted by fishforfun (Post 3019029)
The company knew the circumstances. They made a calculated choice and won. We got played, plain and simple. As long as we learn from it going forward, I’m glad it happened. I don’t think the big plays have come out so we have bigger fights ahead. Better they know who they are dealing with has shifted. Also better we know who we are dealing with. Seems we always want to believe the best in them.
you speak with great wisdom grasshopper…

FL370esq 03-31-2020 04:22 PM
Originally Posted by Milk Man (Post 3018873)
yep, you get it. Should have just Said “will” offer SILs.
From a legal writing standpoint, "will" is not the preferable term to be used in contracts. "Shall" is used in contracts to denote mandatory obligations while "may" is used to denote permissive or optional/non-mandatory conduct.

freezingflyboy 03-31-2020 05:42 PM
Originally Posted by ERflyer (Post 3018887)
He said $10M a month but I bet it is closer to $35M if 4,000 people took them. Times 2 months. $70M for the quarter. $105M for Q3. It all counts and they are flushing money down the lav. Irresponsible during a fiscal crisis.

The contrast is they want us to shut down the APU and single engine taxi to save money.
So when we're MAKING billions, they wanna get wrapped around the axle about saving money with single engine taxi (what's the number they always spout? $2M/yr per minute of SE taxi?) But now that were planning the lose billions, $10M/mo is chump change? Got it.:rolleyes:

Turbo1 03-31-2020 05:45 PM
Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 3019150)
So when we're MAKING billions, they wanna get wrapped around the axle about saving money with single engine taxi (what's the number they always spout? $2M/yr per minute of SE taxi?) But now that were planning the lose billions, $10M/mo is chump change? Got it.:rolleyes:
well said!

queuetip 03-31-2020 05:58 PM
Originally Posted by Banzai (Post 3018671)
Just wow.

The dishonesty about Federal grant money is flabbergasting. It’s not as if that info can’t be looked up.
Write your congressmen and senators, that's what I did.

Wolf424 03-31-2020 06:10 PM
Originally Posted by fishforfun (Post 3019029)
The company knew the circumstances. They made a calculated choice and won. We got played, plain and simple. As long as we learn from it going forward, I’m glad it happened. I don’t think the big plays have come out so we have bigger fights ahead. Better they know who they are dealing with has shifted. Also better we know who we are dealing with. Seems we always want to believe the best in them.

I don’t believe the best in them.

I’d also argue they didn’t “win”. If anything, they ****ed off 14,500 employees when they did this, only to then ask us to take a pay cut (which the MEC told them to rightly pound sand).

You are right in that a lesson was learned, and it will get messy before it’s over. But they united the pilot union, which can only benefit us in the long run.

hvydvr 03-31-2020 06:22 PM
Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 3019150)
So when we're MAKING billions, they wanna get wrapped around the axle about saving money with single engine taxi (what's the number they always spout? $2M/yr per minute of SE taxi?) But now that were planning the lose billions, $10M/mo is chump change? Got it.:rolleyes:
I’m thinking lots of things that were hot topics of discussion for savings aren’t going to make the cut in this brave new world.

Iceberg 03-31-2020 06:29 PM
Originally Posted by hvydvr (Post 3019192)
I’m thinking lots of things that were hot topics of discussion for savings aren’t going to make the cut in this brave new world.
I’ll still single engine taxi when it makes sense. In the end, I’m still relying on this company for a paycheck and nothing good comes from burning more gas and money than necessary.

Contract talks are a whole different animal. They’ve burned that bridge and have a long chasm to cross to ask for help.

Turbo1 03-31-2020 06:32 PM
I operate the airplane is though it were mine and the money was coming out of my pocket. And I have had an airplane for over 20 years.

OOfff 03-31-2020 06:36 PM
Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 3019150)
So when we're MAKING billions, they wanna get wrapped around the axle about saving money with single engine taxi (what's the number they always spout? $2M/yr per minute of SE taxi?) But now that were planning the lose billions, $10M/mo is chump change? Got it.:rolleyes:
you’re missing the part where loss of employee goodwill might make that savings a negative number. If 2000 VLOAs at under $6k a month don’t get taken for a single month (vice multiple months for the $10m savings number) because “screw you the pilots get paid leave,” the $10m savings is suddenly a cost item.


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