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Old 04-13-2020, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
They have no idea what the fleet makeup will be because no one knows when the revenue wIll return. The bid will do the obvious as far as the MD88’s. The rest won’t be defined until fall. Probably some reductions in most categories. Several more bids will follow as they define the future.
I agree with SF. I think this first Displacement Bid will mostly cover the aircraft that are going to be retired soon. Unfortunately there will be plenty more Displacement Bids in our future.

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Old 04-13-2020, 07:21 PM
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Not sure there will be any "advance" in the "entitlement" if they do post something this month. Good news is they will have 365 days to convert if they want to. 😁🙄😞
Do you think they’ll use the 365 day conversion? I kind of think they’ll hold that one in reserve to see how this goes later in the summer. For this bid all that might matter for mgnt is that the conversions happen before 1 October. At which point they can furlough after taking Govt money and after converting everyone to a lower category. We’re already inside that window.
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Do you think they’ll use the 365 day conversion? I kind of think they’ll hold that one in reserve to see how this goes later in the summer. For this bid all that might matter for mgnt is that the conversions happen before 1 October. At which point they can furlough after taking Govt money and after converting everyone to a lower category. We’re already inside that window.
Honestly not sure. Depends on how big the displacement is. As I said, they have the 365 available. If the upcoming surplus is "yuuuuuge," then I bet they will use the 365 because any "clean-up" bid can be done within the normal 210 day window.
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Old 04-14-2020, 06:15 AM
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If they use just “retired” jets it will be a blood bath.

Hard to wrap my head around this again.
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The quicker they get the displacement bid out/awarded, the quicker they can start converting to lower paying categories. They’d also prefer to pay early outs/SILs at lower pay rates as well.
But they'd still have to run the bid, award and convert them. And progressively fewer of any offered early outs would be bumped down a category anyway as most are senior by definition. This would significantly delay any savings and likely result in less total savings, assuming that is the plan.
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Old 04-14-2020, 09:17 AM
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Could they just convert a bunch of people to a lower paying plane but not train them? Basically pay people to sit at home unqualified.
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Old 04-14-2020, 09:20 AM
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Could they just convert a bunch of people to a lower paying plane but not train them? Basically pay people to sit at home unqualified.
this is what I suspect is going to happen. Be advised
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Old 04-14-2020, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Klondike Bear View Post
Could they just convert a bunch of people to a lower paying plane but not train them? Basically pay people to sit at home unqualified.
But people will still be training. I suspect this happens as well but for me to be displaced a lot of guys above me have to come in to push me out. That requires training from A to B or WB B to NB A then A to B again. The fleet size plan for fall of 2020 and beyond will be telling. Looking at May and going forward on reserve with 150 guys on reserve everyday means going to ATL every 3 months. That will be interesting with the training center closed.

It’s a major roll the dice scenario. Keep everyone on the payroll for the spike recovery to grab market share? Furlough 30-40% to get costs under control? Guess wrong on either of those and that is a scenario where a major may cease to exist.
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this is what I suspect is going to happen. Be advised
I would not expect anything in an AE until they resolve whether we will do early retirements or not....
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Seems like company has been awfully quiet lately about upcoming AE, SILs, early outs, fleet plan..... actually about anything the pilot group might care about. Guess they never heard that bad news does not age like wine. I think it’s going to be ugly. Bloodbath. Multiple category closures. Wherever you put pilots, it’s already over staffed, so what kind of decent plan can they really come up with? Network will change direction tomorrow and screw it all up anyway.

and pilot gives to the company? Well I suspect I’m about to give them a $100k pay cut on the next AE as I go from M88A to 737B. I’d say that’s a pretty big give. Guess I could bid A in NYC, but no.
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