I don't know why we even continue to discuss the subject. At the end of the day if the company needs to furlough, and it makes more monetary sense to them, then they will furlough. Right now if we saved cash by lowering our ALV, how much of that money would be negated by the 65 hour discretionary leave program that the company has instituted for self declared high risk employees? JS our head honcho for HR has said on a couple of occasions that she is putting together some early retirement programs for the other groups. That takes money that we don't have right now but would have to be funded from somewhere. I'm all for helping the company make it through this. We need the company to survive and thrive but right now it seems that the head shed is just trying to make a point about unionism versus how well the Delta family works for you. Let's not give up stuff that takes us a decade and a half to claw back and since the company really hasn't come back to us with the ALV request since the last time let's let them figure out what they really need and submit it through out union.

 

They could compute the cost and write a check...taxes would have to compensated for though...medical guaranteed or a check for those premiums too.

Sign me up

 

Take an average of the age each BES. Then do a 1 hour ALV reduction for each avg year less than 65.

Atl 777 A avg age 63? 2 hour ALV reduction
Atl 717 B avg age 40? 25 hour ALV reduction

The "winners" in the ALV reduction plan that have the most to lose(furlough) pay the most. The"losers" who are expected to do the "moral thing and help a brother out(socialism)" lose the least . Some of the "losers" have been furloughed from Delta before.

Not a real plan, but, if any ALV reduction plan is expected to pass memrat, I feel something like this would come closer.

MHO

 

What was the phrased they used about SILs? Oh yeah, “things changed.” Fool me once......not gonna fool me again.

 

So the wide body aristocracy wins again.

 

Those Lords, Dukes and Duchesses will be displaced soon. Off with their heads.

 

Ok....you totally got me. Let's just enforce the contract as is. The one that has the furlough protection in it that has been crafted over the past 30 years through thick and thin.

You like that better?

 

If the hypothetical included language that was pre-ruled upon by the SCOTUS and declared that Delta could never go out of business and never be allowed to furlough....no.

I get the idea that a union is here for the greater good of all members, and while all pilots getting some reduced pay to prevent a furloughed pilot from zero pay is good in the short term, history has shown that the give in pay now doesn't come back in the future, so it ends up being bad for everyone later down the road.

 

This!

filler

 

The only flaw in the argument is if we reduce the ALV it’s generally considered a good thing in negotiations. Raising ALV’s is viewed as a concession. The company always pushes for higher flight hour limits and we try to go lower. Once things return to normalcy the company will want the highest ALV they can negotiate.