The Case For No Involuntary Furloughs
04-09-2020 | 04:53 PM
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Is there a winner, is there a loser ?
If you agree winners/losers, do we justify that with a nebulous " Well, it's the right thing to do" or some other platitude?
04-09-2020 | 04:56 PM
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Because the money saved on ALV reductions would be a drop in the bucket. The fact that the company would rather waist money by not using SILs proves that saving every penny isn't as important as they say it is. How many pilots will an ALV reductions actually save? Impossible to tell. We would require the company to provide that information and they aren't very trustworthy with their numbers.
And then you have to think about the money the to be furloughed pilots would lose in order to save a few more senior pilots from being furloughed. They will lose out on thousands of dollars that could go to their furlough fund. The few additional pilots that might be furloughed if we don't reduce the ALV have been at the company longer than the pilots who will be furloughed no matter what, so they had more time to save and more importantly, they will be recalled first.
Another reason to not reduce the ALV is it will reduce unemployment pay. Right now I can max out unemployment in my state. If I take a 20 hour cut for the next 6 months, I will make about $400 less per month in unemployment.
So not reducing our ALV may cause a few more to be furloughed (no one knows the real number), but it allows the majority of the furloughed pilots to save more money and allows them to maximize their unemployment pay. The only people who benefit from an ALV reduction is the company and a few pilots who miss the furlough cutoff all at the expense of the vast majority of the pilot group (including the most junior who will be furloughed anyway).
And then you have to think about the money the to be furloughed pilots would lose in order to save a few more senior pilots from being furloughed. They will lose out on thousands of dollars that could go to their furlough fund. The few additional pilots that might be furloughed if we don't reduce the ALV have been at the company longer than the pilots who will be furloughed no matter what, so they had more time to save and more importantly, they will be recalled first.
Another reason to not reduce the ALV is it will reduce unemployment pay. Right now I can max out unemployment in my state. If I take a 20 hour cut for the next 6 months, I will make about $400 less per month in unemployment.
So not reducing our ALV may cause a few more to be furloughed (no one knows the real number), but it allows the majority of the furloughed pilots to save more money and allows them to maximize their unemployment pay. The only people who benefit from an ALV reduction is the company and a few pilots who miss the furlough cutoff all at the expense of the vast majority of the pilot group (including the most junior who will be furloughed anyway).
Holy cow, something we both actually agree on - a first!!
04-09-2020 | 05:00 PM
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The company is only interested in lower ALVs to reduce short-term costs, just as they are only interested in furloughs to address long-term costs.
Lower ALVs simply don’t equate to reduced furloughs.
04-09-2020 | 05:11 PM
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04-09-2020 | 05:39 PM
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I want to know how they will comply with the Global Block Hour floor provision of the transatlantic JV with all these WB planes parked. Hadn’t seen any scope updates lately. That’s still a part of the contract, right?
04-09-2020 | 06:08 PM
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I was not meaning it as a rude answer to your post , It was just a jab at what crappy and false excuse they will try to use to get cuts out of us .I was on your side regarding the post .
04-09-2020 | 06:22 PM
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Im curious post b scale here at delta what events you see as supporting this mindset?
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