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Originally Posted by contrails12
(Post 3084721)
It’s not like they farmed out 50% of their domestic flying to the lowest bidder
Show me a major airline pilot who doesn’t understand his or her role in the existence of fee for departure flying, and I’ll show you someone who’s never worked at one. |
Originally Posted by GucciBoy
(Post 3085434)
“Let someone else take far bigger cuts?” Are you serious? I’m saying your proposal cuts your pay 17% while mine is cut 45% and you’re saying that I’m the only one arguing for a solution where someone takes “far bigger cuts?” Do they breathe oxygen on your home planet?
And my 45% cut is going from NB A at 83 hours/month to NB B at 60 hours/month. It’s pretty easy for you to advocate for an LOA where you’re only taking a 17% cut in hours at the same pay rate. I have taken a 45% pay cut. It’s not fun when both your kids are in college. I did what I had to do to take care of my family by working two jobs. I still advocated for the furloughed pilots and wanted DALPA to pass a assessment to pay each pilot on the street 3000.00. I learned a lot about the character of some of our pilots during that time. |
Originally Posted by Tomcat14
(Post 3084490)
I don't know if some of these guys spouting off are DAL pilots, I certainly hope not. I've been furloughed before and watched as guys still picked up open time...a real kick to the nads.
Im sure your 2500 Delta brothers and sisters that got letters today feel warm and cozy reading your comments you wouldn't temporarily reduce ALV or something to keep everyone employed. You don't even know the details of the LOA. Maybe JB is setting the bar here. I hope so and am glad all the Jr JB guys and gals can stop worrying about if they are hitting the street or not. Congrats. To the DAL pilots facing a possible furlough, I hope something pulls through and can be worked out for you. Everyone emails a bunch of furlough resources and preparation advice to the pilots which is great, but it all lies on us as individuals to make ends meet. It sucks and hopefully there will be minimal if none, and short lived. I can tell you...for me on the street for 2 plus years, my brothers and sisters having my back meant the world. Knowing they keep flying but not forgetting the ones not. And fighting to get them back. Best of luck to you. Thanks! We all gave up a lot to come here to watch greedy guys complain they arent flying 90hour lines with greenslips thinking Going from 75 alv to 60 or 65 is really a 25 to 30 hour cut... newsflash your over alv and greenslip is doesnt reset your average take home permanently. |
Originally Posted by XJ86
(Post 3085745)
Thanks! We all gave up a lot to come here to watch greedy guys complain they arent flying 90hour lines with greenslips thinking Going from 75 alv to 60 or 65 is really a 25 to 30 hour cut... newsflash your over alv and greenslip is doesnt reset your average take home permanently.
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Originally Posted by Breadcream
(Post 3085818)
Good grief your writing is atrocious. Have some respect for your readers (and your high school teachers) and proofread. I was trying to make it an early Friday night but now I’m all upset about this...
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Originally Posted by Av8rking
(Post 3085835)
Are you for real? Could you not figure out what was said? I love that you are having trouble resting because your grammar police bug kept you up. Lol. Some people...
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I think there may be a misperception here that is important to clarify. At JetBlue, ALV is just that: Average Line Value. It has no bearing on anyone's minimum pay. Minimum pay is governed by the MMG, which is 70 for lineholders and 75 for reserves. They could drop the ALV to 20 and everyone would be paid 70 or 75. So if anyone is getting their panties in a wad over JB potentially dropping ALV, maybe some introspection on why a certain Air Line pilot group negotiated that a reserve gets paid based on ALV is in order instead of cries that JB is dragging down the industry.
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Did some quick and dirty math, and made some assumptions, but it looks like about a 10hr/month AVL reduction would be more than enough to keep all pilots on the list. This doesn't take into effect training cost reductions.
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Originally Posted by RAH RAH REE
(Post 3085923)
Did some quick and dirty math, and made some assumptions, but it looks like about a 10hr/month AVL reduction would be more than enough to keep all pilots on the list. This doesn't take into effect training cost reductions.
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
(Post 3085964)
A critical point. IF we did agree to "work less, but not for less", the fact we are saving the company a princely sum must mitigate any reduction.
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