Because you are making an apples to apples comparison when it is not applicable. At JB, ALV has NOTHING to do with how much a reservist is paid, it’s not a JB pilots’ concern that DL pays their Rsv pilot differently when they are negotiating! Therefore at JB reducing ALV does not in any way change the CBA’s minimum guarantee for a reservist, there is no ALV-2.

I think we’re talking past each other here. I never insinuated there was an ALV-2 at JB. My post was in reference to some Delta peeps who argued for reducing the ALV here at Delta. That would absolutely effect our guarantee.

I'll argue that ALV reduction and the coincidental TLV reduction is a concession. My (and a large portion of the pilots) reserve pay is 72hrs due to ALV. That pay level is what they are trying to reduce. With an ALV reduction the work is spread around more with less pay to the pilot group. If we keep ALV-2 and change the range with the ALV we all lose pay. The TLV would also have to be reduced or they just delay for a few months some of the pay. So simply, all pilots will earn less and the amount of flying will remain whatever it is, thereby saving the company money. We are overstaffed and have a lot of idle pilots so the company wants us less idle and cheaper as a group. That's the very definition of a concession, more work for less pay.

If the argument is, are concessions appropriate now? Then, I have an opinion but to say this is not a concession is wrong and attempts to blur the line. ALV/TLV adjustments are a concession. On the top end a QOL/jobs concession and on the bottom end a pay concession.

Oh absolutely, but then some on here blame another pilot group’s LOA for possibly lowering JB pilots’ ALV (even though no one has seen the details) as lowering the bar when that in fact would not have any consequence for a JB pilot’s CBA minimum guarantee.

I never argued that but I hear what your saying. I’d hope we can all agree that it would benefit us all if you guys hit a home run here. That would not only help our brothers at JB, but it would enhance our position when/if Delta management demands significant ALV cuts as a quid for furlough protection. I’ll have a beer to the details of your agreement being heavily weighted in your favor. Cheers

Here’s to that. And if DL management demands significant ALV reduction citing JBs LOA, hopefully your NC will tell them that the consequences of ALV on pay is an apples to oranges comparison between the DL and JB CBAs! We will see in the coming days/weeks.

JB could TEMPERARILY take thier ALV of 74 and match it to thier line holder guarantee of 70. This would Potentially create an additional 5% more lines. Just narrow the build a bit to keep everyone happy. I.e if you have a build between 93-74 credit just make it 86-70. A required holdback on block of 1-2% for open time during the build for those that like high credit helps as well. I would think you want a lowered alv. I can’t really think of a reason to have it much above guarantee under jb agreement? Rigs and min calendar days should keep your schedules fairly efficient. Also exempting premium pickups from any potential TEMPORARY credit cap keeps that intact. Sec 23 language exists for a time like right now. What I mentioned is available in your current agreement and I’m sure is being discussed. That’s it for me because I’m sure I’m about to get roasted as some will view this as concessionary no doubt.

Your getting down in the weeds for a DL board but I have no doubt that will be part of it, as of right now anything less than 74 is limited by the B6 CBA. We will just have to wait and see. I just had to speak out when I saw JB pilots accused of lowering the bar for the possibility of reducing ALV in their LOA and DL mgt possibly using that as leverage against DL pilots. In reality ALV to a JB RSV pilot has a very different consequence (ie none) compared to a Rsv DL pilot. Only a few were spring loaded to cast stones at their JB brethren though thankfully....but geeezus talk about myopic!

if I were to venture a guess it would be a credit cap to fly some more rsv’s and keep less of the b6 guys crediting 200hrs a month which has been the norm since April for many.

ALV isn't tied to minimum guarantee in JetBlue's contract. It's possible even under current book to be awarded less than minimum guarantee when the ALV is low, as it has been for the last few months. If that happens, you're immediately awarded enough credit to bring you up to minimum guarantee, then you can pick up or trade over that. If the LOA includes lower ALV to award more lines at lower values, then everyone still gets at least minimum guarantee right out of the gate. I suppose that would upset those pilots who bid maximum credit (since they'd have to work and/or bot harder to pad their lines) but it doesn't damage the pilot group or contract integrity. Maybe I'm missing something but I'm not detecting the slippery slope here.