Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3084801)

You obviously blew off what I highlighted. If you're fine with what he said that's cool

If you don't think our management team is NOT going to come after concessions now, I can't help you.

Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3084801)

You obviously blew off what I highlighted. If you're fine with what he said that's cool

If you don't think our management team is NOT going to come after concessions now, I can't help you.

Originally Posted by Trowserchilli (Post 3084665)

The concession ball has been set in motion. B6 kicked it off.

Originally Posted by contrails12 (Post 3084721)

It’s not like they farmed out 50% of their domestic flying to the lowest bidder

Originally Posted by LoudFastRules (Post 3084305)

No, they can not. Any changes to pay rates (including increases - yes, it’s happened) require membership ratification.

Section 23 allows certain modifications for furlough mitigation, including reserve adjustments, credit caps, line values, early outs, voluntary leaves, etc. We don’t know what they agreed to, but they didn’t change pay rates.

Originally Posted by Wolf424 (Post 3084728)

I agree, and I’m not discounting the fact that it was done without MEMRAT. It’s not my MEC/Air Line (two words /s) that did it, so that’s between you and them, Phil. I honestly hope it’s not as bad as it appears (a significant concession without MEMRAT).

I’m addressing the other Delta pilots that think we are screwed because B6 gave up...(we don’t know).

For all we know, they gave up Dasani water bottles in the pilot lounge to be replaced by Kirkland brand.

Breath and let’s see what happened before we develop a “hot take”.

Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3084807)

Saw it..not a fan of what he said but I also don't see how a plan that does not change payrates or major work rules is seen as lobbing a grenade.

our management was gonna nickel and dime us for concessions no matter what anyone else did. conversely I think if AA and B6 don't furlough that also puts pressure on them not to lay off thousands of pilots.

work less but not for less

Originally Posted by Desdi (Post 3084845)

I like Kirkland better

Originally Posted by Beechnut58 (Post 3084847)

you are all stuck on “pay rates” instead of “contractual pay”. These two are very different and should not be confused with each other. Of course they weren’t going to change our pay RATES. But I can almost guarantee they are changing our pay and without feeling the need to get ratification by the pilot group.

if that is the case a major recall is in order.

Originally Posted by Beechnut58 (Post 3084847)

you are all stuck on “pay rates” instead of “contractual pay”. These two are very different and should not be confused with each other. Of course they weren’t going to change our pay RATES. But I can almost guarantee they are changing our pay and without feeling the need to get ratification by the pilot group.

if that is the case a major recall is in order.

Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker (Post 3084855)

Or try filing a sec 23.a dispute. Might go a little quicker than a recall IMO. Maybe?