2558 Executive Hostages... sick times!
07-28-2020, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Falcon20
The LAUGHTER you hear is really crying because the whole operation is so GUMMED up it BURNS.
The Chairman update was great and hopefully cooler heads and honesty prevails in our negotiations. I now understand why there were so many guys that only did the bare minimum when times were good. The actions of the leaders in flight ops will be hard to forget. While the names may change it is likely that the system will just replace them with more of the same.
The Chairman update was great and hopefully cooler heads and honesty prevails in our negotiations. I now understand why there were so many guys that only did the bare minimum when times were good. The actions of the leaders in flight ops will be hard to forget. While the names may change it is likely that the system will just replace them with more of the same.
If they offer a long terms SIL, I’m sure many will apply. If they offer part time lines, I’m sure some will apply (including myself).
Hopefully our chairman showed Ed what we’ve been trying to negotiate and how with those programs, we don’t have to furlough. Which BTw they could use the same type of programs for non contract employees.
They can offer a paid leave to overstaffed groups. I’m sure many will get time off for 6-12 months if you pay them to stay home.
The ball is in their court, we can work with them, but demanding 15% ALv cuts and nothing else doesn’t show good faith.
07-28-2020, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Fourpaw
Yes...what announcement?
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07-28-2020, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by 1Taco
There’s a townhall on skynet later and someone is asking if we’re going to park some -220s in the next few months, as 70% of the FOs go UNA. I look forward to watching JL trying to answer this.
07-28-2020, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by 1Taco
There’s a townhall on skynet later and someone is asking if we’re going to park some -220s in the next few months, as 70% of the FOs go UNA. I look forward to watching JL trying to answer this.
07-28-2020, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by 1Taco
There’s a townhall on skynet later and someone is asking if we’re going to park some -220s in the next few months, as 70% of the FOs go UNA. I look forward to watching JL trying to answer this.
07-28-2020, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Tailhookah
Been thinking about all that’s happened since March. First off it seemed to start well. We immediately reached out to the company for the April re-bid and that would’ve given us time to help negotiate continued relief w/ Delta. I was pleasantly surprised. That didn’t last long and it seemed we had gone back in time and all of those happy thoughts we all used to share on Profit Sharing Days of years past got flushed down the toilet in one quick flush. The early days of the rhetoric on skynet from JL and his cronies immediately changed. It was just a curt “we are not going to be offering SILs”... nothing more.
Since then it’s just been more of the same. They are using skynet to negotiate in public while shaming us for not taking an ALV cut. What always gets me though is that we are operating on an expired contract. A contract that was economical over 4 years ago, but not now. What if we had just signed a new contract in January or February? Would they be asking for us to take this “old” contract +ALV minus 15%?
It’s all optics and semantics guys. They are targeting us because historically they do that... we make the most, so just like the rest of the world the “richest” are asked for the biggest sacrifice. Have they taken any other group hostage via WARN notices? So there are 2558 UNA’s that are executive hostages... no other WARN notices have gone out. There is also not a push to ask other groups to give more.
It should absolutely tick off every pilot here, especially the 2558 who are executive hostages. It’s apparent that Delta can’t see past next week on this... 2558 of the future of Delta Air Lines are being held hostage. That’s just plain wrong. Meanwhile Alpa continues to offer many reduced cost or non-cost options for many different programs and ways to help Delta save large amounts of money. 1) USERRA relief 2) SILs 3) Voluntary paid leaves in many different increments 4) blank lines 5) Voluntary reduced pay lines for less days required to work... I’m sure there are more options being floated but everything I’ve heard or seen is plain NO. ALV - 15% for NO furlough/1yr. If they can do that (which I don’t trust them 1 iota) then we can agree to a package of items to help save pay.
They only thing they want is ALV - 15%. I have major trust issues that quickly got dusted off after the SILs debacle in March.
I think we continue to stay the course. We are on an expired contract which has offered great savings to where we should’ve been. We don’t give a cent. Period. I’m all for offering the items above. But we’ve all learned (if you know the history of labor) that if we give them a cent, they’ll take a dollar and will later ask for more.
Had JL honored the SILs agreement in March, I’d personally be more inclined to offer more help. But how many times does someone have to be treated badly before they say enough! I am at enough!
How about the rest of you and what have you all heard from the line?
Since then it’s just been more of the same. They are using skynet to negotiate in public while shaming us for not taking an ALV cut. What always gets me though is that we are operating on an expired contract. A contract that was economical over 4 years ago, but not now. What if we had just signed a new contract in January or February? Would they be asking for us to take this “old” contract +ALV minus 15%?
It’s all optics and semantics guys. They are targeting us because historically they do that... we make the most, so just like the rest of the world the “richest” are asked for the biggest sacrifice. Have they taken any other group hostage via WARN notices? So there are 2558 UNA’s that are executive hostages... no other WARN notices have gone out. There is also not a push to ask other groups to give more.
It should absolutely tick off every pilot here, especially the 2558 who are executive hostages. It’s apparent that Delta can’t see past next week on this... 2558 of the future of Delta Air Lines are being held hostage. That’s just plain wrong. Meanwhile Alpa continues to offer many reduced cost or non-cost options for many different programs and ways to help Delta save large amounts of money. 1) USERRA relief 2) SILs 3) Voluntary paid leaves in many different increments 4) blank lines 5) Voluntary reduced pay lines for less days required to work... I’m sure there are more options being floated but everything I’ve heard or seen is plain NO. ALV - 15% for NO furlough/1yr. If they can do that (which I don’t trust them 1 iota) then we can agree to a package of items to help save pay.
They only thing they want is ALV - 15%. I have major trust issues that quickly got dusted off after the SILs debacle in March.
I think we continue to stay the course. We are on an expired contract which has offered great savings to where we should’ve been. We don’t give a cent. Period. I’m all for offering the items above. But we’ve all learned (if you know the history of labor) that if we give them a cent, they’ll take a dollar and will later ask for more.
Had JL honored the SILs agreement in March, I’d personally be more inclined to offer more help. But how many times does someone have to be treated badly before they say enough! I am at enough!
How about the rest of you and what have you all heard from the line?
So there's that.
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