Drum

I mentioned this earlier, you missed it.

They range from 777 CA to 737 FO. Cover the seniority spectrum.

They recollected just fine. What you drivin at Buck?

Buck Rogers

So 58 % are stoopid? They obviously found it in their best interest to vote yes.

Save me from your "perfect", black and whit world. Even hindsight isnt perfect because nobody actually knows what would have happened "if"

Was AA better off than us through the dark decade of bankruptcy, or in your world were we the reason their contract sucked too? A case can be made either way, but to be " all knowing" as you seem won't to do is just naive

Buck Rogers

What I'm driving at is your friends vote % doesn't seem logical.

If I was in Vegas, I bet $10,000 that at least one of them mis-remembering their vote.

boog123

Yeah, yeah, 2850 is what they “said” was gonna happen. Some are believers (hint, that’s you) some prefer to learn from history and watch their feet. The new B scale. Gross

Buck Rogers

OBTW.. yea I missed their demo cause I don't read all the pages, mea cupla. So does that make me ignorant as your post seems to insinuate?

Drum

You probably power a few light bulbs at the Bellagio with those math skills.

I asked, they told me. All voted no. Can't help you otherwise.

Recommend you stay away from the tables.

tennisguru

I'll bet that happens with our voluntary measures LOA...

Buck Rogers

So, this seems logical to you? I call it virtue signaling and you fell for it.

Gone Flying

I believe that 2850 got a furlough notice which is all I said. I think with 30-35% pax numbers it was totally within the realm of possibility to get rid of that many by end of year. This is not a B scale. Pay rates and work rules are unchanged just less work for the same hourly pay.

UAL is not flying the hours needed to sustain their pilot group at min hours (neither are we). management could either choose to furlough, or work with the pilot group to reduce hours. if you don't like it fine but the alternative is thousands of unemployed pilots in a bad job market. (pilot jobs are next to impossible to come by, and there is slim pickings in other jobs at the moment)

1Bob

Ease up there big dog. There is no personal attack here [but I could gin one up towards Moak et. al.].

As to your 1st line reference to the 58%, not sure what you mean. If you're referring to the UAL vote, my comment had nothing to do with them. My comment was strictly for DAL.

No I don't know [and I'm not sure how you think I claimed to be all knowing] how things would have turned out without LOA #46. But I think its safe to say we still would have gone into Ch 11 bankruptcy proceedings. What level of concessions? Let me ask the Magic 8 Ball. Who knows? The point is we gave concessions for a Bankruptcy Protection Letter that literally was not worth the paper it was written on. You seem kinda fired up to support that letter. If you think it was great, well that's your opinion, I have mine.

I only have 1 vote. Maybe you think LOA #46 was great. If so my apologies. If one thing 2020 has taught me not only are we not homogeneous nation, I'm not sure we're all the same species.