Originally Posted by RogSmitty (Post 3131304)

I can’t square your statement with the aggregate. It doesn’t explain what is going on in the right seat. Of course they awarded CA positions vacated due to the VEOP. They didn’t come close on the FO side.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3131489)

Tbey are short in the right seat on the 350 and 330. 30 new 350 FO’s AE awarded and almost 120 A330 FO AE awards. Did not even bother to look at the reinstatement’s but I bet there were a bunch.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3131269)

I was speaking of staffing for next summer. In fact wasn’t your ER delayed because they need you next summer?
P.S. Take a look at NYC and ATL open time. Traditionally there is little to no 330 open time in the fall.

Originally Posted by Corndog (Post 3131367)

Don’t they just traditionally use them going season to season? Isn’t that what they have been pointing out?

It’s going to be hard to convince me that paying someone to not work is a meaningful way to help keep workers on the payroll. It also doesn’t seem like the fact that they negotiated the right to offer them, but decided not to, is reason for pitchforks and lifelong trust issues. The stuff that happened before and during the last bankruptcy would probably have me disillusioned and distrustful though.

Originally Posted by Corndog (Post 3131351)

Fair enough. Those events destroyed lives and families. With the gravity of losses and continued reduced demand, there is no guarantee they won’t furlough, ask for more concessions, or use bankruptcy down the road. I would be surprised to see a LONGER TERM (longer than 6 months or so maybe?) no-furlough agreement. It would disappoint me if they offer it because it would be an obvious lie to think they know at this stage that they can keep that promise. Bankruptcy is definitely a possibility without a meaningful rebound as well.

I still think an ALV cut is a very different staffing solution than a rate cut (especially 32%). I also believe SILs are harmful to jobs vs. an ALV cut.

But I wasn’t here for the bankruptcy and I would probably think differently if I was, especially with the same executive on the team. Was there anything like an ALV cut offered then?

Originally Posted by Stinsat7 (Post 3130858)

Thanks for letter John, but I trust my union not you.

Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 3131506)

Its nice that you acknowledge the distrust of those of us here during BK. Maybe you should learn from it? I can fully see the company taking advantage of BK again and any deals before then will most certainly be considered by a BK judge as a starting point.

Denny

Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 3131506)

Its nice that you acknowledge the distrust of those of us here during BK. Maybe you should learn from it? I can fully see the company taking advantage of BK again and any deals before then will most certainly be considered by a BK judge as a starting point.

Denny

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3131535)

It would be great for us if a judge would consider a reduced ALV if Delta files bankruptcy. Delta will demand as high a ALV as the court will grant it in chapter 11. If you say the judge will consider the reduced ALV as a baseline that’s simply great news!

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3131237)

The company can simply furlough and get a greater cost savings.