UAL guy here. I voted yes because I can actually live on less pay and want the extra time off. Don’t forget, this isn’t less pay for the same days of work - it’s less days of work at the same hourly rate.

I heard Delta pulled a bait-and-switch on your SILs. That’s too bad, becauee I’ve been on one since March and learned I actually can live on 50 hours a month.

With this LOA, I’ll be working 11 days a month now on a NB. Sign me up.

I understand why pilots are voting no, but the above are my (selfish) reasons for voting yes.

Were you hired in MSP or ATL? Very different demographics. For example, in my new hire class in 2000 I was the civilian ‘experiment’. Until the 2014 boom Delta new hire classes were overwhelmingly MIL and average age of ~35.

^^^^this^^^^^

I've seen so many people talk about the hours cuts while ignoring the thousands of displacements that get undone. while not everyone was displaced it certainly affected a huge portion of the pilot group at UAL. Since far fewer DL pilots % wise are under the threat of furlough, a similar plan here should require a lot smaller hours cuts. the way their plan is laid out it seems to make sense to me. we will see when UAL pilots vote on it.

Tracking the 5 year limit is kind of a USERRA thing, so....

A peson getting bumped is BS....the person on MIL leave is above them on the list whether they are actively flying or not.

The financial obligations are an issue when they return from MIL leave.....if the company doesn't survive until that point, the financial obligation is moo...and they would have paid those financial oligaitons (PS, 401K, etc) even if the peson didn't take MIL leave....so it just changes WHEN they pay them.

It shouldn’t matter. Anyone with the tiniest amount of SA of the industry should know.

They were supposed to be removed from the list after 5 years. Delta always ignored this in the past. If a pilot should have been removed from the list and returned many felt they were being bumped down.

That's been my experience. Most of the ER captains I foew with were all hired around or before 30, and many were shocked that I wasn't hired at that age since I didn't retire from the military.

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USSERA protects your position for a minimum of five years. There are exemptions which provides longer protection. There is no obligation for Delta to remove anyone if they exceed 5 years.

A fraction of 1% might have slipped through the cracks on this, which is poor justification for the overall treatment of mil pilots, and no justification at all for not waiving USERRA caps right now.

During GWOT it’s very easy to do way more than 5 years anyway. 38 USC spells out the current exemptions quite clearly.

This too. USERRA protects the service member from termination within that timeframe. It does not, however, dictate that the civilian employer must fire the employee after 5 years cumulative. It just no longer expressly prohibits adverse action.
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