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Iceberg 09-21-2020 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by Tailhookah (Post 3133092)
No. Not the voluntary... I’m pretty sure that’s gravy. I was talking about any TA that makes any changes to our PWA.

The only deal is the TA on voluntary measures.

DWC CAP10 USAF 09-21-2020 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 3133323)
The only deal is the TA on voluntary measures.

Mgmt has said, and MEC confirmed reciept of, a proposal that would mitiage all furloughs, whcih is different that the Vol TA that saves the 220.

I beleive the MEC will be discussing both.

ERflyer 09-21-2020 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by Banzai (Post 3133273)
This too. USERRA protects the service member from termination within that timeframe. It does not, however, dictate that the civilian employer must fire the employee after 5 years cumulative. It just no longer expressly prohibits adverse action.
#240

So one of the points of contention is that Delta would rather furlough a pilot than let another stay on Mil leave over 5 years and guarantee their job when they return?

hvydvr 09-21-2020 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3132948)
while I don’t disagree with the sentiment, millennials are usually defined as people born between 1980-1995. Most people don’t realize that older millennials turn 40 in 2020.

From the best I can tell, many in the boomer generation (b1946-1965) were hired at a major around the time they were 30, that is simply not true anymore

Most of the boomers with military backgrounds frequently had half of the current training commitments seen today.

TED74 09-21-2020 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by jumppilot (Post 3133157)
UAL guy here. I voted yes because I can actually live on less pay and want the extra time off. Don’t forget, this isn’t less pay for the same days of work - it’s less days of work at the same hourly rate.

I heard Delta pulled a bait-and-switch on your SILs. That’s too bad, becauee I’ve been on one since March and learned I actually can live on 50 hours a month.

With this LOA, I’ll be working 11 days a month now on a NB. Sign me up.

I understand why pilots are voting no, but the above are my (selfish) reasons for voting yes.

Clearly you are not an American. No way can you be happy without making more than you are now... no matter how much that is or might be.

boog123 09-21-2020 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by jumppilot (Post 3133157)
UAL guy here. I voted yes because I can actually live on less pay and want the extra time off. Don’t forget, this isn’t less pay for the same days of work - it’s less days of work at the same hourly rate.

I heard Delta pulled a bait-and-switch on your SILs. That’s too bad, becauee I’ve been on one since March and learned I actually can live on 50 hours a month.

With this LOA, I’ll be working 11 days a month now on a NB. Sign me up.

I understand why pilots are voting no, but the above are my (selfish) reasons for voting yes.

report back with the “we didn’t think they would do that” issues.

Gone Flying 09-21-2020 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by hvydvr (Post 3133436)
Most of the boomers with military backgrounds frequently had half of the current training commitments seen today.

yep, I think that is a major factor. I think the USAF AD commitment is up to (Edited for accuracy) 10 years now. Certainly changes the age people get out at, but might also sway someone’s decision to stay a few more years and get a check for life with insurance for situations just like this one.

DWC CAP10 USAF 09-21-2020 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3133442)
yep, I think that is a major factor. I think the USAF AD commitment is up to 12 years now. Certainly changes the age people get out at, but might also sway someone’s decision to stay 8 more years and get a check for life with insurance for situations just like this one.

It’s 10 years after getting your wings...there was a time around 2012-2015, where LT’s would spend a year causal, then the year of UPT, so they would be around 12 yrs total service when first eligible to separate.

Gone Flying 09-21-2020 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 3133443)
It’s 10 years after getting your wings...there was a time around 2012-2015, where LT’s would spend a year causal, then the year of UPT, so they would be around 12 yrs total service when first eligible to separate.

10 is not as bad, still probably puts you around 33-34 years old before you are eligible to separate if my math is right.

hvydvr 09-21-2020 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 3133443)
It’s 10 years after getting your wings...there was a time around 2012-2015, where LT’s would spend a year causal, then the year of UPT, so they would be around 12 yrs total service when first eligible to separate.

10 years after your wings and bubbas frequently get nailed with events within a couple of years that extend them....PCS ADSC, requal ADSC, etc. By the time it’s all said and done, unless someone gets a massive Palace Chase waiver, dudes are rolling out at 12-13 yrs....35 years old makes sense now.


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