FWIW, you can’t be forced to take an ADSC extension for PCS, requal, promotion, etc. You can decline orders and get out after UPT commitment if that’s what you want to do. They may still PCS you, but it won’t come with the normal ADSC extension. Palace Chase waivers during the 14-20 hiring wave were plentiful, though not guaranteed.

Having said that, one would have to know they wanted out to turn down orders, as it also generates a separation date, but until COVID hit, that was happening a fair amount where I was at that time (along with PC waivers).

Also, UPT ADSC has been 10 years for a looong time. Mine was 8 back in the 90’s, and when I was an Blue jet IP in the early 2000’s it had gone to 10, IIRC. I had heard talk they were considering making it 15 to addresss the shortage at one point, but stopped caring quite a few years back.

“FWIW, you can’t be forced to take an ADSC extension for PCS, requal, promotion, etc. You can decline orders and get out after UPT commitment if that’s what you want to do. They may still PCS you, but it won’t come with the normal ADSC extension. Palace Chase waivers during the 14-20 hiring wave were plentiful, though not guaranteed.”

I used to be chief of mobility assignments at AFPC in a past life. There are all kinds of ways an individual can screw themselves as they come up on their initial UPT commitment. Guys who are approaching this time now need to understand that if furloughs become a reality, AGR and ART jobs are going to move quickly—I know that many have been filled already in the strat air community, as guys with seniority number head over for some stability. They will likely see PC waivers issued as long as your community is healthy. The “value” of a PC waiver may decrease as available jobs get filled by guys jumping on long-term orders. As usual, some general will confuse the crappy hiring and the resultant awesome retention numbers with his intelligence and think the military has solved their problem. Life goes on.

So the military might once again find itself out of phase with the civil aviation hiring trends? Get out of town!

There has been other proposals as well, the only deal that was put into language is the voluntary options.

With the new congressional bill being put forward, I assume “things changed” and the proposal is no longer valid anyways.

what bill? Not trolling, seriously asking

IMHO it would be silly to toss out a strictly voluntary TA at the finish line because of a Bill that “might” happen. Congress isn’t the most trustworthy lot and we don’t know the terms of the aid they’re proposing. If it’s a grant then I’d hope the company would take it. If it’s just another loan, then that precedent has already been set. We should push forward as if nothing from Congress is approved. Until something actually is approved.

I agree, I think the voluntary measures are going to be approved tomorrow (based on completely nothing because I have no details).

In the second part I was referring to the mitigation proposal that the company slid over the table as late as possible and then using some of their own language against them. Mostly TIC, but some seriousness.

Two Senators proposed a bill to reallocate $28billion unused funds to airline payrolls to prevent mass layoffs.

Did anyone ever really say that? I think this is an urban legend that the "just vote no, early and often" crowd likes to trot out. And even if it happened--ONCE, maybe--who cares? I don't go through life with rose colored glasses. I DO think that "management would do that." That's why you negotiate good contractual language--so they can't. Then I move on.