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sailingfun 09-23-2020 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by jmcharles (Post 3134665)
You don’t trust them because they didn’t offer SILs, after they explicitly stated it may or may not be offered at their discretion? You don’t trust them because they have more than just the pilot group to represent? You don’t trust them because they’ve had the AUDACITY to admit to you that they can’t keep all of us flying at contractual levels in the current revenue environment? Why don’t you stop thinking diabolically for one second and realize we are just one piece in this puzzle. We either fit or we get reshuffled until we do.

Common sense on the forum. Who would have thought!

Jaww 09-23-2020 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3134714)
Common sense on the forum. Who would have thought!

whatever you say sailing. Nothing to see here.

Flying Monkey 09-23-2020 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by jmcharles (Post 3134665)
Why don’t you stop thinking diabolically for one second and realize we are just one piece in this puzzle. We either fit or we get reshuffled until we do.

Indeed. I’m pretty sure there’s not a daily “How can we screw the pilots today” management meeting. Regardless of how we got here, we’re in a dung heap as an industry.

hockeypilot44 09-23-2020 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by jmcharles (Post 3134633)
This^^^

ALPA (our reps and us) need to come to terms with the reality that there is not enough flying to go around. And at the same time come to terms with the reality that furloughs need not be the “industry standard” in a crisis. Life is not black and white and there is always a middle gray. Go into the room, lock the door, and don’t come out until there’s something worth voting on. The end.

I disagree. ALPA needs to do nothing just like the company did to us in 2019.

PSFT 09-23-2020 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3134723)
I disagree. ALPA needs to do nothing just like the company did to us in 2019.

And screw over the furlough pilots... nice.

Jaww 09-23-2020 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by Flying Monkey (Post 3134720)
Indeed. I’m pretty sure there’s not a daily “How can we screw the pilots today” management meeting. Regardless of how we got here, we’re in a dung heap as an industry.

Agreed. It’s more like, “How can we gain more efficiencies and cost savings from the pilots.” Then they business-like begin to screw you. I don’t get emotional about it but I absolutely believe they want to screw us (by our viewpoint).

hockeypilot44 09-23-2020 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by PSFT (Post 3134724)
And screw over the furlough pilots... nice.

We didn't screw over anyone. We have a contract.

sailingfun 09-23-2020 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3134723)
I disagree. ALPA needs to do nothing just like the company did to us in 2019.

You mean when we proposed a 3 billion dollar increase in pilot costs?

Gone Flying 09-23-2020 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3134723)
I disagree. ALPA needs to do nothing just like the company did to us in 2019.

when did APLA and Delta exchange openers? How soon after that did COVID happen? Our contract became amendable on 1/1/2020 and by the end of February the economy was in free fall. Not gonna fault the company on that one. Had it been 1,2, or 3 years that might have merit but the contract had just become amendable when all this started.

Not to mention our opening proposal was a huge dollar amount, it was going to take some time to negotiate an agreement based on what ALPA has put out from our opener

Gone Flying 09-23-2020 03:17 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3134731)
We didn't screw over anyone. We have a contract.


your plan is to do nothing because we can. The loser of playing the game of “pick up our toys and go home” is jr delta pilots, not management


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