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Originally Posted by queuetip (Post 3134080)

They're not even restoring people who take leaves to their displaced categories. This is the kind of industry leading crap they come up with?

If that comes at all, it’ll be in the “no furlough” LOA.

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Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta (Post 3134091)

If that comes at all, it’ll be in the “no furlough” LOA.

Yeah, I think people are getting the two confused. The "no furlough" one is most likely going to be a turd sandwich, but I'm open to pleasant surprises!

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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 (Post 3134051)

What do you mean no thanks? I don't think this is going to memrat.

Correct..it will be like a SIL. Sign up for one if you want, if not that is fine too.

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Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 3134001)

I see no carveouts removing an ultra long call pilot from green slipping.

"Normal" In-base reserve pilots are definitely going to feel the sting of these ULCs if I'm reading it right. If I currently bid reserve as a local pilot, I'll now presumably get more short calls that can't be given to ULCs. I'll also get reserve assignments that would otherwise have gone junior, because there isn't 24 hours notice to assign them the trip. I'm not sure if this will spur scheduling to assign trips with more notice than they have historically (since they have to use in- and out-of-base LC reserves before ULC reserves); that could be beneficial for someone who wants a full reserve guarantee month.

It's too bad we aren't incentivizing short call volunteers with pay above guarantee (as was agreed to in previous negotiations). That could have had a similar benefit to all reserves and not just those taking a 20% pay cut to reduce exposure to short calls. I also think a 14-18 hour long call for all would have been more advantageous than these ULCs, but I guess that doesn't help the manning equation.

With guys bidding no time lines and RLLs and flying cut way back just how many GS do you think will be going out? Yes there is always the outlier here and there but I think GS for the most part will be way, way down.

Scoop

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Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 3134114)

Look at the bright side, with so few green slips one won’t have to fret getting the anonymous nasty notes in one’s v file w guys on furlough.:D

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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 (Post 3134094)

I'm open to pleasant surprises!

Im hoping you are right, but the only pleasant surprise I’ve personally seen since the cares act passed was the number of pilots who took the VEOP. And even that was squashed by the company’s response

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Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 3134114)

I think it's hard to say and it probably won't be uniform across categories. I certainly wasn't expecting to see someone on GS#8 last month, and yet it happened and GS are plentiful in many FO categories. A lot depends on how much cost-saving the company thinks they can achieve with ULC. If a significant percentage of reserve pilots can't be assigned a rotation with less than 24 hours to report, it won't take much disruption to burn through LC and SC pilots and offer GS with no reserves available.

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Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 3134179)

Exactly. There will always be greenslips at Delta.

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Originally Posted by hvydvr (Post 3134046)

As a commuter, I plan on bidding ULCs if offered. I’ll take the pay hit just to be able to be home. There is usually a several hour gap that I can’t cover on LC from where I live. The 24 hr eliminates that. Of course, I’m guessing they won’t offer that many.

Get called a lot there in that gap?

Thoughts on the Voluntary TA:

-Is it concessionary? No, any agreement that is voluntary cannot be concessionary. Zero pilots could decide to opt in, and it would be like nothing happened.

-Is it industry leading or even industry average for a voluntary program? No. Some airlines have already announced they aren’t furloughing and others have offered 50 hour SILs.

It appears that we moved our position much closer to the company’s to make this deal happen. I think many of us believed the package would be enticing enough to have 1,000-2,000 takers. That is clearly not what we have, instead it is a minimally attractive package designed to get about 300-400 takers. That way the company can hold off union drives with other employee groups. I don’t necessarily have a problem with what’s been agreed upon, but it does make me nervous about the mandatory concessions we are currently negotiating. Will that agreement also reflect us moving closer to the companies position? Will it also be near the bottom of the industry?