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notEnuf 09-22-2020 06:01 PM

ULC for me. (and I'm in base) A MBL is not a 25 hour SIL? Or a RLL if you pick up hours? I'm confused. How much of this will be offered? Probably no more than the hours savings for 220 lines, if that.

hvydvr 09-23-2020 04:41 AM


Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 3134195)
Get called a lot there in that gap?

Not at all. Until you do.

Jaww 09-23-2020 05:37 AM


Originally Posted by hvydvr (Post 3134400)
Not at all. Until you do.

Exactly this. I was called once when I least expected it. Luckily, I could drive. I had just walked off a commuter flight home, got the message, and then hopped right back in the car for a flight the next day. Fun 4 hour drive. No matter how safe you think you are, you aren’t. I moved and can’t drive now, so I avoid reserve because of that nasty memory.

exitrow 09-23-2020 09:25 AM

Now they are just throwing together random reserve lines for the 1721 still flying with zero input from the pilots on what days off they need. Apparently legal per the PWA. I know the "family" crap was never real but they don't give a damn about us. Still waiting for those funeral flowers they were sending my family last month...

Buck Rogers 09-23-2020 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by exitrow (Post 3134562)
Now they are just throwing together random reserve lines for the 1721 still flying with zero input from the pilots on what days off they need. Apparently legal per the PWA. I know the "family" crap was never real but they don't give a damn about us. Still waiting for those funeral flowers they were sending my family last month...

Sorry about your loss and also sorry about the flowers that didn't make it.

I think you might have a legit complaint if Delta wasn't paying you for the month of Oct....when they signaled furlough was in the cards. The furlough would certainly save them more money. Maybe you can swap around your days off, since they are carrying extra bodies, might be able to do that.

If you really need the days off, I'll bet you could call them up and get the whole month off....no pay of course.

notEnuf 09-23-2020 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by exitrow (Post 3134562)
Now they are just throwing together random reserve lines for the 1721 still flying with zero input from the pilots on what days off they need. Apparently legal per the PWA. I know the "family" crap was never real but they don't give a damn about us. Still waiting for those funeral flowers they were sending my family last month...

Because you got a furlough notice, you are leverage they have created and will use, don't ever forget it. Condolences.

iaflyer 09-23-2020 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by exitrow (Post 3134562)
Still waiting for those funeral flowers they were sending my family last month...

You too huh? Sorry for your loss, last thing needed is an promise to send flowers from the CPO and they never show up.

schwifty 09-23-2020 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by exitrow (Post 3134562)
. Apparently legal per the PWA. .

Is it?

22.F.11
"the company will not rescind a displacement within 30 days before its conversion date without the cosnent of the pilot".

I think all 1941 were scheduled to convert to UNA on Oct1.

tunes 09-23-2020 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by schwifty (Post 3134608)
Is it?

22.F.11
"the company will not rescind a displacement within 30 days before its conversion date without the cosnent of the pilot".

I think all 1941 were scheduled to convert to UNA on Oct1.

company said a while ago Oct UNA conversions were delayed until December. Oct conversions were going to be to NBC FUR

askdanny 09-23-2020 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 (Post 3134094)
Yeah, I think people are getting the two confused. The "no furlough" one is most likely going to be a turd sandwich, but I'm open to pleasant surprises!

For pilots to even agree to concessions, Delta has to offer more than saving 1721 pilots from furlough. The offer probably comes with a big carrot at the end, I imagine, or some amazing QOL improvement right now. Delta is looking for a small win at this point, an excuse to not go through the onerous process of furloughing. It wants to be able to tell the other employee groups that pilots took some cuts as well -- and tell the media machine that Delta hasn't laid off a single employee. One thing I gathered from Ed on the webcast is that he wants a deal. He mentioned a couple of times that both parties need to go into a room, 'lock the door' and not come out until a deal is hammered out. It sounds like Delta hasn't given its last, best offer and would entertain a counter offer.


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