Originally Posted by tunes (Post 3134616)

company said a while ago Oct UNA conversions were delayed until December. Oct conversions were going to be to NBC FUR

Originally Posted by askdanny (Post 3134619)

For pilots to even agree to concessions, Delta has to offer more than saving 1721 pilots from furlough. The offer probably comes with a big carrot at the end, I imagine, or some amazing QOL improvement right now. Delta is looking for a small win at this point, an excuse to not go through the onerous process of furloughing. It wants to be able to tell the other employee groups that pilots took some cuts as well -- and tell the media machine that Delta hasn't laid off a single employee. One thing I gathered from Ed on the webcast is that he wants a deal. He mentioned a couple of times that both parties need to go into a room, 'lock the door' and not come out until a deal is hammered out. It sounds like Delta hasn't given its last, best offer and would entertain a counter offer.

Originally Posted by jmcharles (Post 3134633)

This^^^

ALPA (our reps and us) need to come to terms with the reality that there is not enough flying to go around. And at the same time come to terms with the reality that furloughs need not be the “industry standard” in a crisis. Life is not black and white and there is always a middle gray. Go into the room, lock the door, and don’t come out until there’s something worth voting on. The end.

Originally Posted by jmcharles (Post 3134633)

This^^^

ALPA (our reps and us) need to come to terms with the reality that there is not enough flying to go around. And at the same time come to terms with the reality that furloughs need not be the “industry standard” in a crisis. Life is not black and white and there is always a middle gray. Go into the room, lock the door, and don’t come out until there’s something worth voting on. The end.

Originally Posted by jmcharles (Post 3134633)

This^^^

ALPA (our reps and us) need to come to terms with the reality that there is not enough flying to go around. And at the same time come to terms with the reality that furloughs need not be the “industry standard” in a crisis. Life is not black and white and there is always a middle gray. Go into the room, lock the door, and don’t come out until there’s something worth voting on. The end.

Originally Posted by Scooter432 (Post 3134637)

Not interested in any deal with this team. They have proven they can't be trusted.

Originally Posted by schwifty (Post 3134621)

Ah, thank you for the correction. I'd heard those acronyms but missed the memo.

Originally Posted by PSFT (Post 3134652)

That’s great. Some of us are interested in a deal.

Originally Posted by Scooter432 (Post 3134637)

Not interested in any deal with this team. They have proven they can't be trusted.

Originally Posted by jmcharles (Post 3134665)

You don’t trust them because they didn’t offer SILs, after they explicitly stated it may or may not be offered at their discretion? You don’t trust them because they have more than just the pilot group to represent? You don’t trust them because they’ve had the AUDACITY to admit to you that they can’t keep all of us flying at contractual levels in the current revenue environment? Why don’t you stop thinking diabolically for one second and realize we are just one piece in this puzzle. We either fit or we get reshuffled until we do.