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beis77 09-20-2020 08:07 PM


Originally Posted by Der Meister (Post 3132955)
Because it doesn't benefit them so clearly it's a concession to help others.

I’ve seen some of this on the widget pages recently as well. What started as no involuntary ALV cuts is starting to turn into no deals period, and I truly don’t understand it. I completely understand why folks don’t want an involuntary ALV cut imposed upon them. I don’t understand why anyone would take issues with an LOA containing strictly voluntary measures? If they don’t like the voluntary options then they need not apply (just like VEOP). I’m not sure what’s to be gained by opposing a voluntary measures LOA... I’m hoping it sails through the MEC this week.

Gone Flying 09-20-2020 08:12 PM


Originally Posted by beis77 (Post 3132957)
Why do the demographics of the 1721 matter? Serious question, not throwing shade. I’m wondering what difference it makes is all.

To me, none. another poster asked, I researched and found the answer. Ask them (Leroy Jenkins) why it matters

Der Meister 09-20-2020 08:14 PM


Originally Posted by beis77 (Post 3132967)
I’ve seen some of this on the widget pages recently as well. What started as no involuntary ALV cuts is starting to turn into no deals period, and I truly don’t understand it. I completely understand why folks don’t want an involuntary ALV cut imposed upon them. I don’t understand why anyone would take issues with an LOA containing strictly voluntary measures? If they don’t like the voluntary options then they need not apply (just like VEOP). I’m not sure what’s to be gained by opposing a voluntary measures LOA... I’m hoping it sails through the MEC this week.

I agree; I have no clue why someone would be against something that is 100% voluntary and will also help some other pilots. On another note the FB group is turning into CC, which is a total dumpster fire.

Denny Crane 09-20-2020 08:16 PM


Originally Posted by theUpsideDown (Post 3132899)
Quick, recall the VEOP pilots! Sorry Denny, you're never leaving!

Lol! It’s a done deal! Thank goodness!😅

Denny

Eldee5 09-20-2020 08:44 PM


Originally Posted by Der Meister (Post 3132943)
So the majority are not whining entitled millenials like the DZ guys want everyone to think. Almost as if they had no idea what they were talking about, once again...

Fun fact about millennials. Most are in their mid to late 30s, are parents, have been on the receiving end of two recessions, and have been the ones fighting in our wars of the 2000s. I'd say they suffer plenty. Maybe not so entitled after all no?
PS: I'm not a millennial.

EDVPLT 09-20-2020 08:50 PM


Originally Posted by Der Meister (Post 3132972)
I agree; I have no clue why someone would be against something that is 100% voluntary and will also help some other pilots. On another note the FB group is turning into CC, which is a total dumpster fire.

Holy crap I thought this forum was bad but someone told me to go check out chit chat and those have to be the most toxic people in this company. Idk how people can live their life like that.

RonRicco 09-21-2020 01:25 AM


Originally Posted by EDVPLT (Post 3132991)
Holy crap I thought this forum was bad but someone told me to go check out chit chat and those have to be the most toxic people in this company. Idk how people can live their life like that.

The sad thing is that CC was the same even when we were going through the best of times. If you couldn’t be relatively happy then, what would you expect now?

CX500T 09-21-2020 03:51 AM


Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3132948)
while I don’t disagree with the sentiment, millennials are usually defined as people born between 1980-1995. Most people don’t realize that older millennials turn 40 in 2020.



From the best I can tell, many in the boomer generation (b1946-1965) were hired at a major around the time they were 30, that is simply not true anymore

Often when flying with senior guys on the ER (good Eurotrips pre covid) they'd figure out i was 40ish, and be amazed i was a new hire.

Mid to late 30s is a normal new hire, 50 isn't unheard of.

Wheni told them my age (40 at the time) and that I didn't retire from the military their minds were blown.

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DETSports 09-21-2020 04:02 AM


Originally Posted by CX500T (Post 3133015)
Often when flying with senior guys on the ER (good Eurotrips pre covid) they'd figure out i was 40ish, and be amazed i was a new hire.

Mid to late 30s is a normal new hire, 50 isn't unheard of.

Wheni told them my age (40 at the time) and that I didn't retire from the military their minds were blown.

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Yes, I was hired at 29 and on the ER at 31, furloughed at 32.

Iceberg 09-21-2020 04:05 AM


Originally Posted by Tailhookah (Post 3132947)
If the MEC approves the deal it will go to full MEMRAT. Not a shortened vote timeline. But the full duration vote window. We will decide if it passes. Not the MEC.

So certain you are.


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