Honestly, I'd actually respect that business decision... in absence of the public proclamations they've made about wanting to avoid them. They can't have it both ways, making commitments to avoid furloughs while choosing to furlough because it helps near-term cash flow.

I didn't say they could potentially avoid all involuntary furloughs, they did. I didn't say they'd exhaust voluntary options, they did. I didn't say they would be creative, they did.

I've said I'll work less, not for less. There are plenty of pilots willing to help management avoid furloughs, but it's not a blank check for them to cash in on this crisis to achieve their contractual gains for the next decade or two.

We all lost a week of vacation 15 years ago. Did that ever come back during years of $Billions in profits? Nope. It was a gateway item for management... wouldn't even entertain the thought.

Until the demand accelerates and management see the efficiency. Productivity is an addiction management will never shake.

Management always has a short memory. Once the deal is done they move on.

If ALVs will be high, why are they negotiating for a reduction??? :confused:

Furloughing is the best business move and the best for the stock price with the limited information I've got as an internet troll. Additionally, do they want to set the precedent that anytime a black swan event occurs, extraordinary efforts will be made to avoid furloughing people?

‘Well SEA330A certainly isn’t undermanned for September/October...... One three day trip leaving 30 Sept in open time thru end of October as of last night. I suspect it’s that way in all 330A categories. When is the 330A supposed to be short? Didn’t I read somewhere we still have half our 330’s parked and there are three -900 for us sitting on the ramp at Airbus?

Denny

I was speaking of staffing for next summer. In fact wasn’t your ER delayed because they need you next summer?
P.S. Take a look at NYC and ATL open time. Traditionally there is little to no 330 open time in the fall.

Then why oh why did they not come close to filling the vacancies they posted for those jets on the last AE? And don’t say training limitations because most would have been filled with reinstatement’s.

They filled 300 positions just for 330/350 Captains in the AE. Probably another 40 765 CA’s also awarded. That is not counting reinstatement’s. That does make much sense if they need a big ALV downward adjustment. It also is probably the max they can train on a short AE contrary to your statement even though not all awards require training. I understand they will be purchasing off sight simulator time to complete the 350 training from the bid.

We are discussing the statement they want it for widebodies only.