No ALV reductions taken

You are entitled to have the appropriate number of X days placed on days that you could have held off on the initial PBS awards (and complies with the normal reserve rules for you category i.e. 3-99-5 for narrow bodies). A simple phone call to crew scheduling will take care of it.

The SWA contract gives the company the flexibility they need to reduce flying hours per pilot. They don’t really have a ALV like ours since their only max pickup limits are FAR117. That causes high speed taxi and asking for intersection departures in ATL with 13 aircraft in front of them.

I don’t believe they changed their contract. There was no need as the flexibility to reduce hours is built into their contract and system.

So, the JL memo states “we in good faith committed to reduce the number of pilots at risk of furlough by 220”. There’s no other qualifier or context. Clearly the intended message conveyed is more “permanent” furlough protection. The ALPA comm stated this number is only protected through January.

Somebody is lying. Either JL is lying by omission, or ALPA by overtly stating false information. In this case, I’m inclined to believe ALPA’s version of the truth. Company is simply offering three more months for a handful of pilots. Really it’s just to help themselves with their training crunch and being able to staff the A220 through the holidays. Once they got what they needed out of these guys they will cut them loose.


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I think the 220 are safe and probably the whole group..When flying comes back next year Southwest would crush us, and take over routes we cannot staff. Mgmt will not furlough in my opinion, but they want concessions. These concessions involve using the projected furloughs as leverage.

ALPA had made a statement in the past, saying they wanted no furloughs before Jan 1 so that they could get a proper valuation of voluntary programs. I think the 220, is the company's "good faith". If the take rate for the voluntary programs is high, then you can expect more to the join the 220. If the rate is low or what they have planned for then it's just the 220. If no one takes a voluntary program, then the 220 will be furloughed come Jan 1.

I’m shocked more pilots don’t have a problem with it also. It’s surprising to me that 90% of polled pilots say that staying home with pay and letting other people do the work Is the only solution they will be a part of. An ALV cut isn’t a rate cut. To me, working 15% less for 15% less seems like an honorable and ethical solution to save jobs

And it is, however, the company wants to use that as a way to screw around with schedules. As with most things, it could be done simply, but the company won't agree to exactly what you're looking for. Remember contract negotiations are complex.

that’s where you are wrong. The majority of pilots don’t stay home when not working. They have other hobbies which keep them active. Personally, I like to hit the slopes in the winter and go spelunking with my cats the rest of the year.