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09-24-2020 | 06:59 AM
#381
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That is the thinking that has plagued you all
for decades. The smartest guy in the room parroted it just recently. They say we need X, how we get there is up to you. Pssst, hint....there’s y and z number too, you just don’t know it.
Many of the attitudes towards this agreement were shaped by the comments made about certain contract improvements by the same people now wanting “unity”.
for decades. The smartest guy in the room parroted it just recently. They say we need X, how we get there is up to you. Pssst, hint....there’s y and z number too, you just don’t know it.
Many of the attitudes towards this agreement were shaped by the comments made about certain contract improvements by the same people now wanting “unity”.
So, is the solution just let management just figure it out? Once they furlough, then know the real number? The one possible problem with that is that if the company has to do it "by themselves", they will be much more draconian. Why? Because the PWA makes it expensive and tedious to move backwards. Therefore they overdo on the downside in a massive MOAD and follow thru. That is a possibility is it not? They just want to be profitable at any size.....second is profitable while maintaining market share/route structure.
Maybe I'm missing what you are saying. What is the pilot plan you would follow? Who has more leverage, the pilots or the company?
09-24-2020 | 07:00 AM
#382
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This is the part I don’t think pilots grasp. The company wants a cost reduction from the pilots. They have a contractually legal method to achieve that reduction. They are offering alternatives to the current contractual option. We as pilots are not deciding if there will be cost reductions. The only thing we are deciding is if we will force 100% of the reduction on the bottom of the seniority list or spread it throughout the seniority list. I know how I feel on the issue and what we should be done.
09-24-2020 | 07:07 AM
#383
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Things are worth what the market will bear....nor more, no less
09-24-2020 | 07:14 AM
#384
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A hand held calculator ( Texas Instrument (add, subtract, multiply, divide, square, sq root, sin, cos) in 1975 cost $700. So today it should cost what?.....$3,300! But yet when I go to the store it is $1 and it has solar power as well as internal battery
Things are worth what the market will bear....nor more, no less
Things are worth what the market will bear....nor more, no less
09-24-2020 | 07:30 AM
#385
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That’s true, unfortunately we have a labor market hindered by the RLA. That alone limits our negotiating power and sets an artificial time line that is easily manipulated by management by either early pressure when the time frame is conducive to less value ie early (2015) or stalling (2019) or immediate (2020). This is not a fair or free market.
I get what you are saying, it's just kinda semantics at this point. I still think the company has the majority of the leverage. For us to wield that cudgel, the company must first return to profitability
09-24-2020 | 07:44 AM
#386
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It is a fair and free market, it just has the turning radius of an SR-71 at mach 3. Contract cycles last 3-4 years therefore gains and losses take time. We continued to get pay raises in 2002 due to our contract even though we were rapidly going downhill as a company. (our gain) We missed the cycle in 2020 and the company will reap the rewards(such as they are) for years to come.
I get what you are saying, it's just kinda semantics at this point. I still think the company has the majority of the leverage. For us to wield that cudgel, the company must first return to profitability
I get what you are saying, it's just kinda semantics at this point. I still think the company has the majority of the leverage. For us to wield that cudgel, the company must first return to profitability
Fair is subjective so I guess we are both right. Free means without outside influence so I disagree.
09-24-2020 | 08:11 AM
#387
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09-24-2020 | 08:19 AM
#388
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09-24-2020 | 08:58 AM
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A much better analogy would be: “Walk into your local Porsche dealership and pick out a nice $140,000 911S. Sign a purchase agreement, sign all the purchasing paperwork, and then the dealership tells you they are hurting for cash so please pay $160,000. This after lowballing you on your trade-in and telling all the other customers that you are cheap, and greedy....”
