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09-22-2020 | 02:42 PM
#281
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09-22-2020 | 02:48 PM
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09-22-2020 | 03:15 PM
#284
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From: DAL 330
I see no carveouts removing an ultra long call pilot from green slipping.
"Normal" In-base reserve pilots are definitely going to feel the sting of these ULCs if I'm reading it right. If I currently bid reserve as a local pilot, I'll now presumably get more short calls that can't be given to ULCs. I'll also get reserve assignments that would otherwise have gone junior, because there isn't 24 hours notice to assign them the trip. I'm not sure if this will spur scheduling to assign trips with more notice than they have historically (since they have to use in- and out-of-base LC reserves before ULC reserves); that could be beneficial for someone who wants a full reserve guarantee month.
It's too bad we aren't incentivizing short call volunteers with pay above guarantee (as was agreed to in previous negotiations). That could have had a similar benefit to all reserves and not just those taking a 20% pay cut to reduce exposure to short calls. I also think a 14-18 hour long call for all would have been more advantageous than these ULCs, but I guess that doesn't help the manning equation.
"Normal" In-base reserve pilots are definitely going to feel the sting of these ULCs if I'm reading it right. If I currently bid reserve as a local pilot, I'll now presumably get more short calls that can't be given to ULCs. I'll also get reserve assignments that would otherwise have gone junior, because there isn't 24 hours notice to assign them the trip. I'm not sure if this will spur scheduling to assign trips with more notice than they have historically (since they have to use in- and out-of-base LC reserves before ULC reserves); that could be beneficial for someone who wants a full reserve guarantee month.
It's too bad we aren't incentivizing short call volunteers with pay above guarantee (as was agreed to in previous negotiations). That could have had a similar benefit to all reserves and not just those taking a 20% pay cut to reduce exposure to short calls. I also think a 14-18 hour long call for all would have been more advantageous than these ULCs, but I guess that doesn't help the manning equation.
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09-22-2020 | 03:34 PM
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09-22-2020 | 03:38 PM
#286
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09-22-2020 | 04:34 PM
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I think it's hard to say and it probably won't be uniform across categories. I certainly wasn't expecting to see someone on GS#8 last month, and yet it happened and GS are plentiful in many FO categories. A lot depends on how much cost-saving the company thinks they can achieve with ULC. If a significant percentage of reserve pilots can't be assigned a rotation with less than 24 hours to report, it won't take much disruption to burn through LC and SC pilots and offer GS with no reserves available.
09-22-2020 | 04:50 PM
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I think it's hard to say and it probably won't be uniform across categories. I certainly wasn't expecting to see someone on GS#8 last month, and yet it happened and GS are plentiful in many FO categories. A lot depends on how much cost-saving the company thinks they can achieve with ULC. If a significant percentage of reserve pilots can't be assigned a rotation with less than 24 hours to report, it won't take much disruption to burn through LC and SC pilots and offer GS with no reserves available.
09-22-2020 | 04:56 PM
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Get called a lot there in that gap?
09-22-2020 | 05:22 PM
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Thoughts on the Voluntary TA:
-Is it concessionary? No, any agreement that is voluntary cannot be concessionary. Zero pilots could decide to opt in, and it would be like nothing happened.
-Is it industry leading or even industry average for a voluntary program? No. Some airlines have already announced they aren’t furloughing and others have offered 50 hour SILs.
It appears that we moved our position much closer to the company’s to make this deal happen. I think many of us believed the package would be enticing enough to have 1,000-2,000 takers. That is clearly not what we have, instead it is a minimally attractive package designed to get about 300-400 takers. That way the company can hold off union drives with other employee groups. I don’t necessarily have a problem with what’s been agreed upon, but it does make me nervous about the mandatory concessions we are currently negotiating. Will that agreement also reflect us moving closer to the companies position? Will it also be near the bottom of the industry?
-Is it concessionary? No, any agreement that is voluntary cannot be concessionary. Zero pilots could decide to opt in, and it would be like nothing happened.
-Is it industry leading or even industry average for a voluntary program? No. Some airlines have already announced they aren’t furloughing and others have offered 50 hour SILs.
It appears that we moved our position much closer to the company’s to make this deal happen. I think many of us believed the package would be enticing enough to have 1,000-2,000 takers. That is clearly not what we have, instead it is a minimally attractive package designed to get about 300-400 takers. That way the company can hold off union drives with other employee groups. I don’t necessarily have a problem with what’s been agreed upon, but it does make me nervous about the mandatory concessions we are currently negotiating. Will that agreement also reflect us moving closer to the companies position? Will it also be near the bottom of the industry?
