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Old 09-22-2020 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by block30
So I did an admittedly quick of read LOA 20-3 from the DALPA site....if I read that correctly, if we pass it, we only save 220 pilots, theres no language to mitigate all furloughs?

Gotta go watch the kiddo again.
yep. To mitigate all furloughs we are going to need to take concessions on hours (per EB on townhall)

furloughs were delayed by 1 month to allow for negotiations.
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Old 09-22-2020 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
yep. To mitigate all furloughs we are going to need to take concessions on hours (per EB on townhall)

furloughs were delayed by 1 month to allow for negotiations.
I'll just keep collecting those checks Ed, thank-ya very much.
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Old 09-22-2020 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
That ULC reserve looks good, especially because they are so far down the coverage ladder. I'm assuming they can so greenslip..
I see no carveouts removing an ultra long call pilot from green slipping.

"Normal" In-base reserve pilots are definitely going to feel the sting of these ULCs if I'm reading it right. If I currently bid reserve as a local pilot, I'll now presumably get more short calls that can't be given to ULCs. I'll also get reserve assignments that would otherwise have gone junior, because there isn't 24 hours notice to assign them the trip. I'm not sure if this will spur scheduling to assign trips with more notice than they have historically (since they have to use in- and out-of-base LC reserves before ULC reserves); that could be beneficial for someone who wants a full reserve guarantee month.

It's too bad we aren't incentivizing short call volunteers with pay above guarantee (as was agreed to in previous negotiations). That could have had a similar benefit to all reserves and not just those taking a 20% pay cut to reduce exposure to short calls. I also think a 14-18 hour long call for all would have been more advantageous than these ULCs, but I guess that doesn't help the manning equation.
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Old 09-22-2020 | 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by TED74
I see no carveouts removing an ultra long call pilot from green slipping.

"Normal" In-base reserve pilots are definitely going to feel the sting of these ULCs if I'm reading it right. If I currently bid reserve as a local pilot, I'll now presumably get more short calls that can't be given to ULCs. I'll also get reserve assignments that would otherwise have gone junior, because there isn't 24 hours notice to assign them the trip. I'm not sure if this will spur scheduling to assign trips with more notice than they have historically (since they have to use in- and out-of-base LC reserves before ULC reserves); that could be beneficial for someone who wants a full reserve guarantee month.

It's too bad we aren't incentivizing short call volunteers with pay above guarantee (as was agreed to in previous negotiations). That could have had a similar benefit to all reserves and not just those taking a 20% pay cut to reduce exposure to short calls. I also think a 14-18 hour long call for all would have been more advantageous than these ULCs, but I guess that doesn't help the manning equation.
Yeah, I don't think the company cares about the call out time really. They just wanted to get the reserve guarantee down. I have a fairly easy commute, so I doubt I would bid one..but it's a nice option to have if I want to take a break for a month.
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Old 09-22-2020 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
At a quick glance:

Blank Lines that pay a minimum of 25 hours per month.
Ultra Long Call Reserve (24 hour call out and no SCs) - Pays 80% of Reserve guarantee.
Continuous Blank Line (12 months in a row) - Minimum pay as 35 hours per month.
RLLs - not sure what is different than we already have.

Possibly some changes to the trip coverage steps - I didn't have time to go through and compare the new coverage sequence with our current PWA.

To me the most interesting part is the ULC Reserve - probably tempting for commuters.

Also looks like some very "squishy" wording. The company "may" do this and "may not" so after the whole SIL fiasco put me down as skeptical.

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Yikes. I hope we learned our lesson from the “may” part of language. So they came very close to an SIL with the ultra long call reserve. Unfortunately with the mess commuting has become that’s not going to work. Maybe if they tacked on PS for that I’d take it. 3-6 month SIL and sign me up.
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Old 09-22-2020 | 01:36 PM
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As a commuter, I plan on bidding ULCs if offered. I’ll take the pay hit just to be able to be home. There is usually a several hour gap that I can’t cover on LC from where I live. The 24 hr eliminates that. Of course, I’m guessing they won’t offer that many.
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Old 09-22-2020 | 01:39 PM
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I was excited reading the LOA until I realized that every option with the exception of the MIL leave clause says “may be made available for bid”. Ummm...no thanks. Sorry to the 220, but we need something more solid than this.
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Old 09-22-2020 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Forgotmyhat
I was excited reading the LOA until I realized that every option with the exception of the MIL leave clause says “may be made available for bid”. Ummm...no thanks. Sorry to the 220, but we need something more solid than this.
What do you mean no thanks? I don't think this is going to memrat.
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Old 09-22-2020 | 01:44 PM
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Yeah, I think you’re right.
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Old 09-22-2020 | 02:30 PM
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They're not even restoring people who take leaves to their displaced categories. This is the kind of industry leading crap they come up with?
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