The actual number I heard for the total ask was $11.4B more for the entire contract. But ... water under the bridge. I support the NC and MEC at this time. The times and the situation changes things.

 

From my point of view, as the buck said, from a dbag pov, there seems to be a lot of indications that Delta has solidified its position as a premium product and the nps scores have increased which is suppose to translate into more trust of our brand.

Before i go any further than that, without management making the choices they made we wouldn't be in this position. I have every confidence they'll get tens of millions in reward for that and congrads.

​​​​​​Once there is a vaccine I am of the opinion things will bounce back pretty hard towards the upswing. Its just an opinion, I don't have a crystal ball. 2 years from now, we should be able to see some sort of prediction on the recovery and negotiate from a standpoint of confidence that, like any contract, we are negotiating for the future, not the past and the future seems to be bright once we have some kind of herd immunity.

The tax payers have been paying our salaries, and until something else happens, I'm going to go on assuming the world will go on spinning.


Also, when i got here the union negotiating team told our new hire class no way were we getting done at the end of the year. New hire class was more than a year ago as was that alpa dinner thing with the free beer.

 

A vaccine might help, but there won’t be a big rebound until the mask mandates end.

 

Im gonna be careful how i say this. Wouldnt a vaccine and a herd immunity (result of the vaccine) be enough to end the mask mandate?

Even if the mask mandate stuck around, which it wont, people can fly again for business without caps on flights.

 

TheUpsideDown...
Thank you for presenting a rational, logical response to Sailing( does not matter whether I agree or not)

I chimed in because I felt your posts all morning were getting more and more emotional. I should not stoop to the lowest level but I did, mea culpa

OBTW...gotta say, I am a little surprised at your views in the context of your Delta longevity. Usually it takes decades for a few peeps to see things as you do. But this is Merica, everyone owns their viewpoint

Press on.

 

You assume the mask mandate is still 100% tied to the current COVID episode.

I wouldn’t expect things to go back to normal even after the immediate threat is eliminated. After 9/11, the “buh, buh teh terrorists!” howl was used to great effect to spread useful fear and rain cash on selected parties. A mask mandate is as useful as the TSA in that respect. It shows that “something is being done”.

I wouldn’t expect this time around to be any different.

 

If that is true our ask for the first year would have to be north of 3 billion.

 

Not necessarily. A vaccine won’t reduce deaths to zero and is likely to be largely ineffective. I would expect herd immunity by next summer though. A vaccine will provide a sentiment help like a sugar pill. Maybe our leaders will get rid of the masks shortly after, but I wouldn’t expect “what makes sense” to be how this plays out considering how things have gone. Either way, looking at the sentiment I see, I don’t see passenger levels close to 2019 levels until people can travel without the anxiety the mask creates. I still think they can rise to 50-70% until that point provided quarantine/testing restrictions are lifted.

 

I don't know what to make of any of this.

Obviously I wasn't hurt by it, if you honestly regret the remark, i hope you understand i dont take what folks say on here super serious so theres no need for apologies.

If you read annoyance in my tone, thats what i was conveying. I was also conveying disbelief and mockery. I believe sailing is trying his best to attack the same problem we all are attacking just from a different angle. I have had enough scorpions on my back crossing the river, i dont need another. I think anyone that buys managements crap is playing a dangerous game, well intentioned or not. The man is old enough to make his own decisions, but i hope none follow in his stead.

​​​​​Also, been in the airlines for decades with decades left to go. I don't know what my longevity here has to do with my opinions today, they were solidified in the regionals and before working for airlines in other capacities.

 

Well, I've be married for 40 years(decades). Hopefully you never go through a divorce. I have heard countless stories, and a seasoned veteran as yourself has also.

Hopefully, no " new bride" has to endure the excess baggage that you seem to cart. You are an admirable donkey.