Originally Posted by Catboatsailor (Post 3151960)

DAL Pilots and EDV Pilots both are contractual workers for Delta Air Lines Inc. How hard is that to understand?????

Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3151966)

When EDV pilots’ ID’s, W2’s, pay checks, tax returns, hats, insignia and page 1 of their CBA say “Delta Air Lines,” you will be correct.

Originally Posted by XJ86 (Post 3151951)

Its pathetic they have such a priority over mainline active. Retiree is different

Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3151968)

Endeavor is a part of Delta air lines inc. that is not up for debate, that is a fact. By virtue that that is true, endeavor employees are in fact employees of Delta air lines inc.

Originally Posted by WhiskeyKilo (Post 3151972)

ITT: Delta pilots treating anyone who's not a Delta pilot like subhuman trash.


Signed: a guy with a Delta CJO.

You can keep it.

Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3151979)

in fairness, there is a controversy among us, so obviously not everyone here thinks RJ pilots are trash

Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3151966)

When EDV pilots’ ID’s, W2’s, pay checks, tax returns, hats, insignia and page 1 of their CBA say “Delta Air Lines,” you will be correct.

Originally Posted by theUpsideDown (Post 3151921)

First off, no one reading your posts here needs your background. Of course youre a mil pilot. Whatever time you spent at ASA actually flying or commuting clearly wasn't much. Either you pushed papers full time at your reserve mil job waiting for mainline to call or you were called so quickly to mainline you can't even tell me which lever on the RJ seats stops the belts.

There's so much wrong with the rest of this I'm not gonna try. Why? Because you ignore what people do to inform you and then pretend another conversation is going on. There's nothing humble or informed about any of your opinions and that's the pushback you're getting here. The reader may decide which of us is right. Exactly no one is fooled. You're wrong because you're misinformed. Your continued crap posting on here confirms what everyone thought about you BEFORE they politely responded the first time.

I got positive space continuously for months on the old benefits before Delta changed them, as did many others when I was at EDV. When at Delta, I don't have trouble getting on, I still haven't had to use positive space at Delta while commuting to the SAME airport. I can't help how far behind you are in understanding. I can't help your tone. I can't pretend I'm the only guy on this thread, telling you to stop your pilot bashing, but maybe you can tell them to act professional for the 8th or 10th time. Unscrew your head out of your posterior and move onto another thread.

Don't give regional guys a lecture on professionalism or work ethic. These guys outwork you every time they step in an airplane and most of them get similar letters of thanks from passengers and NPS scores. I still have some of mine. They have no support, little technology, and until somewhat recently they couldn't even trust the paperwork could be printed out by the gate or Ops because of a Delta system problem with our NOTAMs. No one even addressed it for a couple days because we just handled it. They should have medals for how hard they work to get passengers and/or jumpseaters on last minute in the -200. I love my mainline job, I do, but we don't do anything at Delta. Even when I think about helping some captain will tell me, "No man, XXXXX does that. Just wait to be told what to do". No one from any regional, never mind guys at EDV, need a work ethic/professional talk from you.

Originally Posted by Catboatsailor (Post 3152000)

I think you and others here a conveniently having a continual brain fart. There is a difference between “Delta Air Lines Inc” and the “Delta Air Line pilots” themselves. We are contractual pilots. We have poor protections in our PWA and flying has been taken over by domestic and foreign pilots.

Next time you have a chance, politely ask. Who issued their ID? (here’s a tip Delta Air Lines Inc)

Where are your W2’s and paychecks sent from? (Here’s a tip. Delta Air Lines Inc with the same office address as your W2 & paycheck stubs.)

Who manages 9E’s 401k? (Fidelity under contract with, spoiler Delta Air Lines Inc)

Uniforms mean nothing. They could wear a chicken suit, they’re still generating revenue exclusively for Delta Air Lines Inc.

Their CBA says Endeavor Air Inc which spoiler is a subsidiary of Delta Air Lines Inc.

It’s all a homogeneous while still trying to screw us out of scope protections. We need to focus on eradication of this, then retirement non-rev flight status will become a mute point.

Originally Posted by Catboatsailor (Post 3152000)

I think you and others here a conveniently having a continual brain fart. There is a difference between “Delta Air Lines Inc” and the “Delta Air Line pilots” themselves. We are contractual pilots. We have poor protections in our PWA and flying has been taken over by domestic and foreign pilots.

Next time you have a chance, politely ask. Who issued their ID? (here’s a tip Delta Air Lines Inc)

Where are your W2’s and paychecks sent from? (Here’s a tip. Delta Air Lines Inc with the same office address as your W2 & paycheck stubs.)

Who manages 9E’s 401k? (Fidelity under contract with, spoiler Delta Air Lines Inc)

Uniforms mean nothing. They could wear a chicken suit, they’re still generating revenue exclusively for Delta Air Lines Inc.

Their CBA says Endeavor Air Inc which spoiler is a subsidiary of Delta Air Lines Inc.

It’s all a homogeneous while still trying to screw us out of scope protections. We need to focus on eradication of this, then retirement non-rev flight status will become a mute point.

Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3151976)

So are employees of Monroe Energy. Should someone from Monroe Energy put Delta Air Lines on their resume?

Originally Posted by Catboatsailor (Post 3152006)

yes but state it correctly, which you keep screwing up.

“ Monroe Energy LLC a subsidiary of Delta Air Lines Inc.”
that’s a legal way to state employment history.

Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3152005)

Wow, you are hopelessly lost in a dream world. it is you who is having the brain fart here, not goggles.

You don't work for Delta Air Lines dude. Get over it.

Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3151976)

So are employees of Monroe Energy. Should someone from Monroe Energy put Delta Air Lines on their resume?

Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3152021)

If those employees were to be given company stock award as part of their compensation what stock would it be

Originally Posted by Catboatsailor (Post 3152013)

Actually I do work for Delta Air Lines Inc. flying narrow bodies, wide bodies. And this will trigger ya. CRJ’s. ;)

Originally Posted by Jaww (Post 3150781)

Why should they get priority? We own them, sure, but they are contracted labor. I would think our own retirees would benefit first.

I think the Endeavor pilots are great, but they shouldn’t water down our own benefits.

Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3152034)

Says the EDV pilot:

https://i.imgflip.com/4kcduq.jpg

Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3151881)

Maybe we should just sell EDV to SW. Problem solved.

Heck we sold ASA to SW. ASA used to be wholly owned too.

The fact remains. Our retirees worked for Delta Air Lines. You do not.

This may not go anywhere. All Cog was asking was for us to take a look at it. I called my reps and asked them to see what they can do. Nothing may come of it, or it might get traction. We'll see.

Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta (Post 3151956)

They have priority over active mainline on the aircraft in their fleet.

Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3152021)

If those employees were to be given company stock award as part of their compensation what stock would it be

Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 3152042)

CatBoatSailor left EDV a few years ago for Delta mainline.

Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3152077)

This was an "in general" post directed at the EDV pilots posting here in this thread.

Originally Posted by Meow1215 (Post 3152043)

If you can sell a paper airline to OO right now, you should be in the executive suite in ATL advising EB.

Endeavor doesn’t work for Delta? My paycheck from Endeavor, the side of Delta’s plane, Delta’s crew ID beg otherwise. We are not Delta pilots sure enough, but we most certainly do work for Delta. It’s not like we can bid for someone else’s flying, doesn’t seem like something Jim Graham (also DAL) is about authorize that. Your retirees do nothing for DAL, retirees are separated. As a thanks for their service they receive non-rev benefits at DALs generosity and discretion. For some strange reason they have decided because it impacted the bottom line to adjust the boarding priority. Again - you want to solve this problem? Fix section 1 of the PWA.

You guys being ****ed at 9E Pilots is unfounded. We (9E) have nothing in our contract about nonrev travel priority. This was done because your company (DAL) decided that it made financial sense to increase the travel priority for active employees contributing to DAL’s bottom line; retirees do not and they lost travel priority. It’s that simple. I can’t help but notice how none of you are mad about DPJ employees having S3A, what will you do if the rest Wheels Up gets S3A?

Again, if in the RJs go back to Delta - this is no longer a problem.

Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3152079)

Go see the crying babay now.

Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3152079)

We don't want RJs. Pay scale is crap. Rather use a NB to fill that. But we don't make that call as pilots do we?

Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3152079)

Again, you are saying we are ****ed at EDV pilots? I've asked a couple times now to show me where we said that? We are just looking at a proposal, not even that. It was a request from a VEOP guy. I forwarded it to my LEC.

You guys started in with "hurrrr durrrr hurrr we work for Delta" crap. That - we do take issue with. Sorry we got your panties in wad dude but facts are facts. You don't work for Delta Air Lines.

Go see the crying babay now.

Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3152077)

This was an "in general" post directed at the EDV pilots posting here in this thread.

Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3152079)

Go see the crying babay now.

Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3152077)

This was an "in general" post directed at the EDV pilots posting here in this thread.

Originally Posted by Catboatsailor (Post 3152158)

yeah BS. You thought I was still at 9E. You tried to pet your ego with a meme and failed.

The light at the end of the tunnel, over half the pilots hired in the last 5 years are from regionals. They’ve been crapped on, treated with the professional courtesy that you so plainly display. We will change this company for the better. Our new AIP is one small example. Shocker, it led by a MEC chairman who came from a regional. The ADG can kiss our ass. We will stick it out for the long fight. Negotiations here are easy compared to regional negotiations.

Originally Posted by theUpsideDown (Post 3152168)

I predict a little less nonsense from drum on this thread as much as he's been called out.

By the way, what kind of multihull you sporting.

Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3152001)

EDV pilots don't work for Delta. Fact. EDV pilots should not get priority over retirees except for going TO work.

Originally Posted by JonGoodsell764 (Post 3152201)

So they can get TO work to fly your pax, on your routes, on your metal but when its time to go home to their families, they're sol? Edv pilots DO work for Delta. Fact. Who's pax are they flying? On who's routes? Who's planes? United? American? They may be contracted, but they're actively contributing to your profits. To suggest that they can get to work to make you your money but then take a back seat to somebody who threw bags 20 years ago while trying to get home shows your lack of understanding, compassion and humility. I would think someone who constantly beats their anti-concession drum would have a better grasp on how things got this way, but I assure you the blame is not to be laid at the feet of edv pilots.

Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 3151817)

So what's the solution? The EDV employee gets S3A, their spouse and dependents get S3B unless traveling with the employee in which case they get bumped up to S3A? That would make the most sense and be the easiest to implement. It's already how we are with parent travel at mainline where the parent with the employee gets bumped up to S3. Most employees traveling by themselves would be going to/from work so there wouldn't really be a need for actual verification each and every time they traveled.

Originally Posted by JonGoodsell764 (Post 3151870)

EDV has, what, 2k pilots on their list? If you have a gripe about edv companions, management, and beneficiaries of edv PILOTS getting S3A, then okay, I can understand the gripe. But ****ing off an entire pilot group who is by all accounts, improving your bottom line and working their butts off to maintain mainline metrics just trying to get to and from work, doesn't seem worth it imo. No, they aren't mainline, but they are absolutely an important piece to the puzzle with their performance. I know how strong the god complex is down in dixieland but they(edv) do a pretty significant amount of lift for you guys and from my time there, seemed by all intents and purposes to be an extremely professional work group. Not sure how that small of a pilot group in the grand scheme of things can ruffle so many feathers, especially those who are no longer active or contributing to Delta.

Originally Posted by Mainline Mulier (Post 3151879)

As a pilot, you don’t own anything. You’re just an employee, working for the shareholders. No different than a gate agent or flight attendant.

Endeavor pilots work for DAL shareholders.

Retirees don’t work for DAL shareholders.

Cogf16 was hired at DAL with 700 hours, wouldn’t even meet the bare minimum requirements at endeavor today.

Perhaps you guys could practice some humility. You make the entire pilot group look like spoiled brats. If you didn’t want this you should have went to SWA or JetBlue.