Gone Flying

I thought we were asking for lower TLV 9 months ago. Hopefully the benefits long term of a lower TLV will be realized.

lowering the GS trigger is a good start, hopefully we can get rid of it (unless anyone has a good reason why we should keep it that I can’t think of)

PS commuting in the age of COVID is HUGE. I have been looking at commutes out of my home airport and it really does look rough most days.

glad we were able to save furloughs, but that aside the merits of this deal seem worthwhile. We will find out soon how it goes

Drum

Most FOs are NQ awaiting currency sim. Reserve levels are way down as a result.

Drum

I think we set the bar (low) for voluntary measures. That was why I was against 20-03. Plus the no metrics part, I still kept my "no" vote on it.

If not for the bullet point release of 20-04, I think 20-03 would have been defeated. Oh well, we live with it now. If we ever have to go down the voluntary path again, this will be the benchmark for us I'm afraid. At least it was a close vote with very good participation. That should be telling to the kompany.

I think 20-04 will pass no problemo. Really don't see a downside to it right now. Let's see what the full language has to say.

beis77

I’m glad and grateful that 20-03 passed, granted it benefited me directly (I’m in the 220 and just came back from retirement into the ANG). I would have voted in favor of 20-03 anyway. I agree with you about 20-04, I hope it passes!

notEnuf

I agree and didn't like not having metrics but with 20-04 saving all, I was willing to overlook it. No SILs was not as much of a player for me since we are talking about people voluntarily getting paid not to work. Personally I'd rather sit reserve for full guarantee knowing I won't work much. I also think ULC is a good deal if you are a commuter or want to spend the weekend at the lake. I voted in favor of 20-03 because of the increased choice and I personally knew people this would help. It was NOT a great deal but trust and no final solution until 20-04 were my issues.

Vincent Chase

Sure you are. But have you been to YYZ lately?

Gen6

It appears there is almost universal approval on this AIP. Somewhat suprising considering the angst over voluntary measures of 20-03 vs the involuntary items potentially in 20-04.

The potential furloughees with the 30 hour deal saves the company about $135million in payroll/DC. Many are arguing there will be plenty of WS and GS to go around to make as much or more than before 20-04 for active pilots. I guess that could be true if we assume the company is ok with only saving $135million in addition to a robust return to international travel and a massive rebound in domestic business for all of 2021. (summer is in month 6 and even with a vaccine business travel will take a while to turn back on)

The counter argument is the company does not expect a robust rebound and or is expecting savings greater than $135million. If you believe that position is as or more likely than the former then the question is where do the savings manifest themselves. Mid to junior seniority line holders? Reserves? WB pilots? I hope everyone is thinking through these issues. The primary purpose of 20-04 was to mitigate furloughs. So the follow on question is at what cost? As I stated earlier for strictly comparison purposes would it be cheaper to have active pilots cut a check for $10k to provide the same mitigation benefit or to have 20-04.

Drum

Not lately. Last time there, had to pass around thru Xanadu. Real witch hunt going on there, so luckily for me on my passage to bangkok I didn't get trapped under the spinning wheels. Some say I'm losing it, but life is a marathon.

I'll be back in my la villa strangiato as the spirit of radio compels me to go forward - it is freewill after all am-i-right?

ODB2

I think I'm going bald

ODB2

If you can work Bytor and the Snowdog into normal conversation, thenI'll be impressed

I'll do the best I can