Gone Flying

thanks, that’s what I thought but I was not sure. Hypothetically could they post a small number of displacements in a category like ATL7ERB that might see large groups bid out anyway and is somewhat over staffed and use that as justification for a 365 day bid peroid.

Iceberg

Maybe they could displace “The Affected” to trigger the 365 day conversions. Johnny Giggles gets the latest laugh!

Gone Flying

I just assumed since the 1713 will come back with no seat lock, they will try to do it in as few bids as possible, and the 365 day is probably the only way they can train all of us on one AE

Iceberg

That’s too much credit. No way they manage to train 1713 pilots in one year and/or one AE. There will be multiple AEs posted, slightly less awarded, a few cancellations, and multiple grievances. At that point, someone will look back and realize the savings of the UNA/Affected program was $-10 million over 1.5 years and call it a complete success. Management bonuses all around!

#240!

Gone Flying

we were supposed to hire 1300 this year. That’s 1300 people who all would have had to go through full Indoc and full AC qual in 1 year. we also had 10 fleets at the beginning of this year. We were told in indoc that was not our max training capacity. Now we have 2 fewer fleets, and no indoc to worry about. 1700 people, some of whom will be returning to a fleet they were previously qualified on in one MOAB seems feasible to me. It’s a daunting task but I think if they want it done they could do it in 1 giant bid

EDIT to add to this, since all 1713 will have no seat lock, if they do smaller bids they would destroy the A220 fleet since that training program is the bottleneck right now. No seat lock and most people returning from affected pilot status wanting out of NYC/SLC, I don’t think they can afford not to do it in 1 or 2 large bids

Scoop

If INDOC was not the "choke point" in training then that is irrelevant. I agree with you regarding our normal robust training capacity - we were training over 1000/year pre-911 which was before the merger - this would equate to a lot more now with a larger airline. Not sure how well we are currently manned with the DGS guys. Does anyone know how fully they are manned with Covid? Another factor is surge training using leased simulators. This could be an issue if all the other airlines are also looking for capacity.

Too many variables to make any kind of accurate prediction of training capacity/constraints IMHO.

Scoop

Gone Flying

Honest question, were we doing this on any NB fleets pre COVID? Everyone in my NH class (everything from 7er to 717) got sims in ATL. I thought we were only outsourcing A330 training, which now might be even easier given AA parked their 330s leaving us one of only 2 us pax operator of the 330 (Hawaiian being the only other I know)

ive heard rumors Alaska might be winding down their airbus operations, if true, this might open up 320 sim time.

PilotBases

One issue is the MD fleet gave us a few sims to train new hires on. With that gone, it’s one less fleet to place people in. Remember pre Covid the ER was back to new hires, giving more capacity.

fishforfun

320 Training in MIA for sure and LAS I believe.

20Fathoms

It’s definitely been a thing for quite a while albeit sporadic. Both 737 in 2014 and 777 in 2018 had offsite training in Miami. Just a couple data points.