Prepare Yourselves... 2021 AEs
04-01-2021, 11:39 AM
#1751
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Joined APC: Sep 2015
Position: UNA
Posts: 4,420
Originally Posted by Big E 757
The bottom 65% of the UAL pilot seniority list had to take substantial pay cuts to make that happen..
we probably could have reached a better deal but the company was dead-set against several deals (because “optics”) and many in our ranks were incredible vocal NO to anything. I’m honestly amazed we got as far as we did.
With that said I think it will be years before we are caught up on hiring. I keep hearing we want to be back to 100% 2019 numbers by XX date. As of right now we need to hire ~2,100 pilots to get back to our April 2020 seniority list headcount and that number grows every month.
If we want to be 100% 2019 numbers in summer 2023, we will need to hire ~3,000 pilots between now and then (on top of training all UNAs)
04-01-2021, 11:46 AM
#1753
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Joined APC: Apr 2020
Posts: 2,191
Originally Posted by Gone Flying
they took an hours cut but in exchange were pay protected to whatever pay they had pre COVID. And with CARES those cuts lasted 1 bid month.
we probably could have reached a better deal but the company was dead-set against several deals (because “optics”) and many in our ranks were incredible vocal NO to anything. I’m honestly amazed we got as far as we did.
With that said I think it will be years before we are caught up on hiring. I keep hearing we want to be back to 100% 2019 numbers by XX date. As of right now we need to hire ~2,100 pilots to get back to our April 2020 seniority list headcount and that number grows every month.
If we want to be 100% 2019 numbers in summer 2023, we will need to hire ~3,000 pilots between now and then (on top of training all UNAs)
we probably could have reached a better deal but the company was dead-set against several deals (because “optics”) and many in our ranks were incredible vocal NO to anything. I’m honestly amazed we got as far as we did.
With that said I think it will be years before we are caught up on hiring. I keep hearing we want to be back to 100% 2019 numbers by XX date. As of right now we need to hire ~2,100 pilots to get back to our April 2020 seniority list headcount and that number grows every month.
If we want to be 100% 2019 numbers in summer 2023, we will need to hire ~3,000 pilots between now and then (on top of training all UNAs)
04-01-2021, 12:00 PM
#1754
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Joined APC: Sep 2020
Posts: 277
Originally Posted by Thruster
Does anybody else think we’re getting buttered up for a nice scope side letter?
-DHs fixed
-1000 captain positions
-787/max rumors
-Coffee
“All contingent upon ratification of JV “global solution?”
-DHs fixed
-1000 captain positions
-787/max rumors
-Coffee
“All contingent upon ratification of JV “global solution?”
04-01-2021, 12:01 PM
#1755
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Joined APC: Sep 2015
Position: UNA
Posts: 4,420
Originally Posted by PilotBases
3,000 in 24 months isn’t impossible. Before COVID I think we were gearing up for something like 1,200. Some judicial use of off site sims makes it within touching distance. Throw in likely a few extra sims and FTDs and I don’t think it’s beyond the realm of possibility. Nice seniority boost for the guys at the bottom who had a rough last year.
Either way I think it will be a few years before we are un-gummed and that assumes we start making the right decisions yesterday
04-01-2021, 12:05 PM
#1756
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Joined APC: Sep 2015
Position: UNA
Posts: 4,420
Originally Posted by Thruster
Does anybody else think we’re getting buttered up for a nice scope side letter?
-DHs fixed
-1000 captain positions
-787/max rumors
-Coffee
“All contingent upon ratification of JV “global solution?”
-DHs fixed
-1000 captain positions
-787/max rumors
-Coffee
“All contingent upon ratification of JV “global solution?”
04-01-2021, 12:06 PM
#1758
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Joined APC: Sep 2015
Position: UNA
Posts: 4,420
Check your emails, next AE will have 1,612 positions with over 1,000 A positions. Hope it’s not a sick April 1st joke
edit, skyckicken types faster than I do
edit, skyckicken types faster than I do
Last edited by Gone Flying; 04-01-2021 at 12:19 PM.
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