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Big E 757 01-12-2021 09:23 PM


Originally Posted by ClaraLO (Post 3180838)
What’s AE?


Advance Entitlement. I don’t know where the term comes from. It’s our bid for base, aircraft, and seat (Left or right).

ClaraLO 01-12-2021 09:47 PM


Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 3180839)
Advance Entitlement. I don’t know where the term comes from. It’s our bid for base, aircraft, and seat (Left or right).

Thank you!

20Fathoms 01-12-2021 11:39 PM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3180759)
Cryptic and not so cryptic messaging from Flight Ops in numerous recent updates hint at a rapid reversal of fortune and max training is on the horizon. New hires are even on the table. With so many early retirements we might see the return of breathtaking movement. Keep your fingers crossed!

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There’s my Pangloss! The old Trip7 is back baby!:D

Actually, I’ve had kind of a crappy day so bring on the rainbows. I’m skeptical as heck that new hires will be seen in the next year at least but it’s nice to have a little optimism.

3 green 01-13-2021 02:48 AM

What happened to mgmts stance that they must have concessions or they would be forced to fulough? Some people actually believed them when they were saying this..lol

Herkflyr 01-13-2021 03:39 AM


Originally Posted by 3 green (Post 3180856)
What happened to mgmts stance that they must have concessions or they would be forced to fulough? Some people actually believed them when they were saying this..lol

That was before any hand-outs from Uncle Sugar (to be fair it was the ridiculous government lockdowns that were a huge part of this industry going into free fall).

We have been uniquely insulated from this economically crushing pandemic. To see a more real world example of economics in action, look no further than 9/11. We had hired all the way up to the summer of 2001, stopped hiring late summer, the tragic events of 9/11 happened, and we furloughed as soon as November. Those guys didn't return for over five years, and that was repeated throughout the industry.

Absent all the CARES Act $$ we would have thousands furloughed, as would every pax carrier.

To paraphrase your own question, "does anyone really believe that absent money from the feds, we WOULDN'T have tons of pilots on the street?"

blue vortex 01-13-2021 03:53 AM

Sorry but I read the newsletter and did not see anything foreshadowing any type of maximum training. This the the best line I found:

”we’re gearing up to serve the pilots. Training capability will be the driver of our recovery: We are removing training constraints where we can.”

The rest just mentions reorganization of fleet chiefs and the new flap extension procedure.

3 green 01-13-2021 04:14 AM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 3180863)
That was before any hand-outs from Uncle Sugar (to be fair it was the ridiculous government lockdowns that were a huge part of this industry going into free fall).

We have been uniquely insulated from this economically crushing pandemic. To see a more real world example of economics in action, look no further than 9/11. We had hired all the way up to the summer of 2001, stopped hiring late summer, the tragic events of 9/11 happened, and we furloughed as soon as November. Those guys didn't return for over five years, and that was repeated throughout the industry.

Absent all the CARES Act $$ we would have thousands furloughed, as would every pax carrier.

To paraphrase your own question, "does anyone really believe that absent money from the feds, we WOULDN'T have tons of pilots on the street?"

Delta cannot even staff the planes now with no furloughs..If they had furloughed, I can't even imagine how many more flights would have canceled due to no crew. So yes, I think the threat of a furlough was all for show. They were trying to get concessions knowing no furloughs were really coming.

tennisguru 01-13-2021 04:17 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3180764)
Check the January Pilot Training and Standards update

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My head is still spinning from all the acronyms they used...

Trip7 01-13-2021 04:21 AM


Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 3180871)
My head is still spinning from all the acronyms they used...

No kidding I think they have a department solely for acronym development

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DETSports 01-13-2021 04:21 AM

Still expecting an AE in the 3-400 pilot range in the next 3 weeks. Some training opens up in March and I would imagine they want some Affected pilots trained up by summer.


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