vyperdriver

My brother in law flies for Spirit, hired last Jan, put through training in April, OE in May, flying the line ever since. He told me that he is consistently carrying 240 SOB his 321 NEO's. So, I think the flying will return much faster than we are prepared for.

Wolf424

Unless some sort of massive mutation happens and this thing gets way worse than it is right now, there’s no way all the affected pilots aren’t back by 1 May 22 (end of LOA 20-04 benefits). They aren’t going to furlough barring some sort of drastic development.

I still think we are doing interviews by this time next year.

TED74

I’m not so sure anyone is threatening furloughs. I think they are filling the squares necessary to have the option if they need it. Seems smart to me to hedge against all the uncertainty in this industry.

Pogey Bait

Agreed! Folks tying to rationalize this “event” to any (or the many) of past airline set backs is not rational. Shoot...when was the last time the federal government stepped in and helped all airline employees? 2000 through 2010 were a different baby; those that compare this event to the last major downturn, I can’t agree with. History is always good to check back and never to be forgotten. However this “event” will a minor blip compared to overall past airline downfalls. Just my thoughts.

tcco94

Gives ammo to Washington to extend relief as well. Which apparently Buttigeg is in extended talks to do so...

PilotWombat

See, I don't really see a scenario where my no-growth situation plays out as I went through a page or two back. But I also don't see a situation where all 1713 of us are back on the line by summer 2022 (that doesn't necessarily mean furloughed, just not actively flying). That would require some as-of-yet-unknown intervention necessitating an additional 850 pilots over and above what is currently planned for.

The company has already acknowledged that the 418 that came back on this AE were only because they had sim availability with the E period, they have the government paying our checks for the time being, training costs will be lower in the long term if they quickly return guys back to the aircraft they were on, and they know they need ~800 or so back on line by summer 2022. So it makes sense to have some come back and be usable to allow for flexibility in the summer flying rather than paying for all of them to sit at home doing nothing.

Wolf424

It’s always changing. Back in Aug, JL said we need “9,450 active pilots” for summer 21.

We have ~9,800 active pilots on the Feb seniority list. So we will be at 10200 this summer, or almost 800 more than we anticipated just a couple months ago. That’s not including any additional AEs.

Yes, it’s possible everyone will be back sooner than planned.

EDVPLT

If I remember correctly as well the May MOAD AE planned for about ~10,100 active pilots for this summer and I remember BS mentioning back then they were targeting 11,500-12,000 active pilots for Summer 2022. Now obviously that probably changed but I don't see how we don't have everyone back for Summer 2022.

I really don't think people are understanding that bringing back all 1,700 affected pilots won't be the same timeframe of bringing on 1,700 new pilots. This last bid of 420 pilots had at least, if not more than half of people going back to their previous fleet meaning they only will need to do a SRQ course which is only 3-4 sim sessions.

iaflyer

Yes, but what I hear the sims are presently full for the narrowbody fleets, fixing all the problems of the massive displacement and resulting AEs. Sure - a SRQ doesn't need much sim time, but it needs some. And half the people coming back are going to need full courses in a new plane. Then they all need some OE too.

Aviator147

has anyone else seen the screenshot in regards to a phone call with PB? Said hiring team is getting "in position" to be ready by end of year 2021, AND that discussions are underway as to whether to run small AEs or one Big one to bring back Affected Pilots. Not sure the validity, but its been circulating.