ALPA Scheduling Help- FAIL
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"Skin in the game"?... I would guess that by making you sit down and compose a logical question(so as not to "ask stupid questions") you have to have a few facts. In doing some minimal fact gathering, prolly the majority of the time the answer to the stupid question becomes self evident. Also, I'm sure, the 1 stupid question usually morphs into multiple stupid questions. With the current process, it is prolly much more efficient and enhances the volunteers mental faculties( I don't like to think of my fellow pilots as stupid)
To be a boomer, I relate this to raising kids. When doing homework, they initially thought that by asking me to help them find the answer it was going to save them time. After I realized the game, the "game was up". When asked a question, I made sure that my answer was anything but easier for them. They quickly realized that a little bit of self motivation ended up being the easiest solution.... so how does this relate to scheduling? ALPA scheduling has realized the game is up. They now make you email your questions and, voila, it now is what it is.
The world according to Garp, at least this Boomer's view.
To be a boomer, I relate this to raising kids. When doing homework, they initially thought that by asking me to help them find the answer it was going to save them time. After I realized the game, the "game was up". When asked a question, I made sure that my answer was anything but easier for them. They quickly realized that a little bit of self motivation ended up being the easiest solution.... so how does this relate to scheduling? ALPA scheduling has realized the game is up. They now make you email your questions and, voila, it now is what it is.
The world according to Garp, at least this Boomer's view.
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And here endeth the lesson....when they have to deal with attitudes like yours.....no wonder they went to an email format
You had a reasonable offer by someone that appears to be a scheduling volunteer and he also gave a very reasonable explanation as to what the current wait time is,.... were neither of those to your satisfaction? Did you want answers, or were you just venting? I'm sorry if my conjecture hit a little to close to home, I put this more in the arena of my wife venting and when I think she wants "help or reasonable explanations/answers".....things go sideways....kinda like they did here. I hope you find the solace you deserve.
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And here endeth the lesson....when they have to deal with attitudes like yours.....no wonder they went to an email format
You had a reasonable offer by someone that appears to be a scheduling volunteer and he also gave a very reasonable explanation as to what the current wait time is,.... were neither of those to your satisfaction? Did you want answers, or were you just venting? I'm sorry if my conjecture hit a little to close to home, I put this more in the arena of my wife venting and when I think she wants "help or reasonable explanations/answers".....things go sideways....kinda like they did here. I hope you find the solace you deserve.
You had a reasonable offer by someone that appears to be a scheduling volunteer and he also gave a very reasonable explanation as to what the current wait time is,.... were neither of those to your satisfaction? Did you want answers, or were you just venting? I'm sorry if my conjecture hit a little to close to home, I put this more in the arena of my wife venting and when I think she wants "help or reasonable explanations/answers".....things go sideways....kinda like they did here. I hope you find the solace you deserve.
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Is there anyone else that thinks the new system of e-mailing scheduling and hearing back a month later is acceptable? Do we not give them enough money? Are there not 3 full time paid( prior) Delta Scheduling managers and a team of pilots on flight pay loss to help with scheduling problems. But don't worry, your ALPA monthly magazine is on the way. Seriously, ALPA Scheduling is nearly the only touchpoint a pilot will have with their union in their entire career. If we need a 13,000 sq/ft building and a staff of 150 to answer scheduling questions promptly then we should have it, that's what we pay for. ACTUAL HELP. Good forbid we cancel a few hospitality suites or the Lets Hold Hands Committee.
Rant over.
Rant over.
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Suggestion:
-Every day, or every week, update the DAL/ALPA website, and all social media accounts with the number of outstanding scheduling inquires, and the time in hours that the average inquiry is being answered.
-Starting tomm, blast out information on how to get scheduling help on every ALPA communication we receive. Weekly, monthly, everything.
-Poll the pilots on budgeting priorities. Ask them to rank how important it is that pilots be able to call the main ALPA line and get real time scheduling help. For all scheduling issues. It would rank #1. I think we all know that.
-Every day, or every week, update the DAL/ALPA website, and all social media accounts with the number of outstanding scheduling inquires, and the time in hours that the average inquiry is being answered.
-Starting tomm, blast out information on how to get scheduling help on every ALPA communication we receive. Weekly, monthly, everything.
-Poll the pilots on budgeting priorities. Ask them to rank how important it is that pilots be able to call the main ALPA line and get real time scheduling help. For all scheduling issues. It would rank #1. I think we all know that.
-how to contact the committee since this change has gone out probably 5 times since the phones were turned off a few months ago.
- there are people available to answer real time FAR issues 24/7. Every other issue is not time critical. To have 24/7 every scheduling question support would probably be 10 more full time FPL people at a minimum--completely unnecessary. Just because you want an answer to something immediately, doesn't make it truly time critical. The way to contact the committee was changed to get answers to pilots faster--and that's exactly what it has done. We would have pilots email in, then call 45 min later because they didnt get a response to their email they just sent. We work on a first in first out basis.
- sounds like you want to volunteer to join the committee?
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We can do that. It is however very expensive to add full time employees. Much of what they deal with is as mentioned in other posts items the pilots should be able to look up in 2 or 3 minutes. Many also neglect trying to solve the issue first at the CS level. What clogs the system is a small group of pilots who spam the system with every possible perceived issue without taking the time to make sure they have a reasonable claim. As applies to so many things 5% of the pilots generate 95% of the workload. The pilot who has a real issue gets hurt time wise as a result.
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I do my homework and heavily research the PWA and SRH before reaching out. I also typically contact scheduling unless doing so might potentially make my situation worse. But the email system sucks because sometimes the rep doesn’t understand your question (sometimes my fault, sometimes theirs) or their answer creates a follow up question which requires another round of emails. Plus drafting an email does take time; it isn’t instant. Most of my scheduling email interactions of late could have been resolved in 3 minutes or less via phone. So I’ll be more fine with the email system when we finally get a scheduling rep stationed inside of scheduling.
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We can do that. It is however very expensive to add full time employees. Much of what they deal with is as mentioned in other posts items the pilots should be able to look up in 2 or 3 minutes. Many also neglect trying to solve the issue first at the CS level. What clogs the system is a small group of pilots who spam the system with every possible perceived issue without taking the time to make sure they have a reasonable claim. As applies to so many things 5% of the pilots generate 95% of the workload. The pilot who has a real issue gets hurt time wise as a result.
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-no, that's just silly.
-how to contact the committee since this change has gone out probably 5 times since the phones were turned off a few months ago.
- there are people available to answer real time FAR issues 24/7. Every other issue is not time critical. To have 24/7 every scheduling question support would probably be 10 more full time FPL people at a minimum--completely unnecessary. Just because you want an answer to something immediately, doesn't make it truly time critical. The way to contact the committee was changed to get answers to pilots faster--and that's exactly what it has done. We would have pilots email in, then call 45 min later because they didnt get a response to their email they just sent. We work on a first in first out basis.
- sounds like you want to volunteer to join the committee?
-how to contact the committee since this change has gone out probably 5 times since the phones were turned off a few months ago.
- there are people available to answer real time FAR issues 24/7. Every other issue is not time critical. To have 24/7 every scheduling question support would probably be 10 more full time FPL people at a minimum--completely unnecessary. Just because you want an answer to something immediately, doesn't make it truly time critical. The way to contact the committee was changed to get answers to pilots faster--and that's exactly what it has done. We would have pilots email in, then call 45 min later because they didnt get a response to their email they just sent. We work on a first in first out basis.
- sounds like you want to volunteer to join the committee?
So when you call a 1-800 number and they let you know your wait time or place in que, that's silly? No, actually it's pretty smart and people appreciate the honestly. If we are going full internet on scheduling help, it's really the least they could do. Not because anyone is entitled, but because it's reasonable and smart to maintain confidence and transparency in the system.
I personally believe that we provide ALPA with an adequate budget to be assisting pilots by phone (as an option) with scheduling questions. If a pilot wants an answer right away, that is their right. They provide adequate resources to ALPA so that no persons' questions should be divided into time critical or not buckets. Now, if Scheduling Help is an entirely unpaid, volunteer department, then I entirely rescind my suggestion and we should be thankful for what we get. I've personally volunteered a minimum of 1,000 hours of unpaid volunteer union work and never received a dime of compensation. If you volunteer your own time, then you owe me nothing, I owe you. But as far as I know, we have paid volunteers and staff doing that work. If in your opinion, you would rather keep your ALPA Monthly magazine and Family Affairs Committee social budget over an additional full time scheduler answering calls, then that's your right. I personally believe that the budget should begin with building out the most utilized ALPA resource (Scheduling Help), and then go from there. I have suggested to my reps that we poll the pilots on this issue, and put forth a resolution reallocating a higher percentage of the budget to a robust Scheduling Help department.
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