172skychicken

During the Q&A on the earnings call, he stated that a final decision had not been made yet. But he did say that he could definitely see scenarios that would require hiring both pilots and flight attendants by the end of the year.

FangsF15

Strategic Communications 101. Talk in vague terms, and allow yourself an out.

I’ll bet internally, though “the decision has not been made”, they are talking about a lot, and they all know it’s coming well before the end of the year. They are just waiting to pull the trigger until the risk is deemed worthwhile to take.

172skychicken

Apparently United is now going to be targeting 190/month starting this summer in an attempt to bring on 1500-1700 by next summer. I suppose we don't need to commit to anything now, because with our training backlog, we wouldn't even likely be able to get newhires into the sim until the end of summer. We shrank far more than everyone else and likely needed to be hiring yesterday. It'll be interesting to see what they think the max new hire throughput will be, because I'm sure we'll be running at that level for the next few years whenever they can finally commit to hiring.

notEnuf

We aren't hiring, until we are. "Fluid situation," "conditionals changed," "clarity now exists" are phrases I like to use when I want to be non comital.

flyinthrew

All of us CJO poolees had not been keeping our Airlineapps profile up to date, but in the last communication the leader of Pilot Selection told us to update our Airlineapps profiles for him. The unintended consequence is that a bunch of us are now getting invites from United. I think a not insignificant percentage will be poached if there isn’t some sort of way forward soon.

GucciBoy

The more that choose this option the better it will be for everyone, so I encourage all to do what is best for their families.

PilotJ3

Go with the first one that hires you. If your CJO expires, then you lost a good opportunity. Just my opinion, of course.

JamesBond

Just curious. What is your first choice and why?

FangsF15

Concur with everything you said, especially the bold, which is our limiting factor. I suspect the 1400 coming off inactive status will be the focus of most of the training throughput to get them in a seat (which may be superseded by this current AE, but nonetheless will remain at the front of the line, IMO). When that backlog is cleared, backdate that by about 6-8 weeks, and that's when we will start interviewing again. (3-4 weeks for invite to CJO, 3-4 weeks to start indoc). That timeframe may be shortened by circumstance though. I think I saw End of September was the projected last of the Affected Pilots' training? If so, I would expect OTS hiring to resume sometime in July. CJO holders may move that date a little, depending on how many we 'lost'.

Again, I think you are right, and it will be our loss for many of those CJO's. However, remember you can start at United, then resign to start at Delta if that's what you really want. You will have no formal/legal obligation. As others said, do what is right for you and your family. Living in domicile is worth a lot. Having said all that, I suspect the seniority rise at the Widget will be the fastest over the next few years, because we are so far behind. Good Luck, and hope to see you all soon. It's awesome to be having this kind of discussion again.

flyinthrew

For me personally, it is DAL. I have a lot of reasons for that. Most are pretty concrete. A few are Pollyanna-ish. Fortunately, the big game of hardball that went down last year and is still unwinding has been highly eye opening.

Delta will probably have some clarity before United gets to me.