NJGov

Have a trip coming up with a last leg deadhead I plan to deviate from.

Am I able to utilize a Positive Space Company Business booking for this given our PS DH LOA agreement that continues to Nov 22? Or do I have to wait to actually sign-in under the Back-End Deviation policies and hope I can then book a Pos Space Deadhead on my earlier flight back home/to my domicile?

TED74

You can book now.

Buck Rogers

Ted74
Well...is it an international trip ie DDH international ? Would that make a diff? Is that still true to get PS DDH with 1st class. I agree he can book a PS non DDH but that won't ensure a 1st class seat. So, (without more info) ,is your statement categorically true .....always ?

TED74

My statements are rarely categorically true and only worth what one pays for my advice. If he or she is coming here instead of the PWA or ALPA for answers, there are risks. But if they just wanted a warm fuzzy that they won’t be fired for grabbing a guaranteed seat now, perhaps I gave them that.

Cheers, buddy.

Buck Rogers

Agreed. ALSO....PSA...If one comes here looking for advice...it helps to give too much info vice too little( ie international or domestic? want to protect the 1st class seat or not)?. The advice given and or past experiences might be more helpful for all.

As an international guy, I have used the PS provision early to DDH at end (no guaranteed 1st class seat) and then when checked in for trip, used the DDH to secure the 1st class and canx the PS. It MIGHT be possible to get the DDH before check in but I personally don't know how or if it's even possible.

BTW...with the current loads getting a 1st class seat is not a problem. My eqpt is about 10% load factor and my last end of rotation DH we had 3 1st class pax out of 36....Hope that improves soon

Cheers


NJGov...maybe you can close the loop if you get more definitive guidance....I'd like to know for personal edification. Thx

NJGov

Sure, good thoughts overall.

It is a domestic transcon 2-day rotation. One leg operating, minimum rest in an airport hotel, then DH back the following morning. I was/am looking to deviate, and take an earlier flight back home/domicile (I live in base).

Warm fuzzy not needed/helpful, was looking for input because I did scour the FAQ of the LOA that started positive space commuting (so the PWA doesn't address this).. and figured there'd might be someone else who already had this situation happen to them in the past 12 months who frequents these boards and might provide edification for everyone..

Anyhow, I was advised by my ALPA rep that this is a gray area and not to make the PS booking now but instead just wait until rotation sign-in to make my DDH listing in iCrew. Further feedback was solicited from me and any others to write-in to reps and possibly get this gray area addressed with the company.

Follow-on question - and full disclaimer, I didn't look in the PWA or SRH yet, so I'll claim laziness on that one - but I know DDH stops my "TAFB for PerDiem" calculation, but then does it also put me into Rest? Or does rest still begin at the conclusion of the original rotation footprint?

Buck Rogers

NJ....My attitude sucks cause I'll be leaving shortly....but....I have done the DDH at end of a domestic like you are inquiring about. I did it PS prior to sign in. It let me do it but my attitude is kinda like the companies...they can "grieve it" if they don't like it...especially since it is a "grey area"....my approach may be diff if I had a long career ahead!( but prolly not) My excuse would be "plausible deniability" "cause you used a logical, proactive plan.

Additionally...some one told me, as part of one of the Covid LOA 's ( safety and all)...the per diem is not curtailed during this covid pandemic like it was previously.....the thought being... better to get home to a safe environment and not punish you for "better safety" by stopping your per diem.....That's what I heard so, take it just like Ted's advice and disclaimer

BTW. thanks for info, even though on first(and last) blush, it appears the people who were supposed to give you guidance(ALPA) kinda failed. (I'm not an ALPA basher BTW)

Good luck...OBTW, I personally don't think the company is trying to ferret out PS abusers, especially those doing what you are attempting to do. At least I haven't heard about it

dodgerk

Ok here is a tangent that was somewhat addressed. I was awarded a widebody spot along with a few hundred others. My seniority should be good enough to get some trips that end with an international DH sometimes.

I am I able to deviate from say AMS to MSP instead of AMS to DTW and still get a first class seat? If so what the process for doing this?

Buck Rogers

Technically, once you have checked in for the rotation, IF, there is a 1st class seat open on the flight you want, you can book it as a DDH on icrew. Easy Peasy

captkdobbs

Duty and Rest is based on your published schedule. You are correct that your perdiem ends at block-in on your last working leg, but your duty and rest for the purposes of iCrew are based on your non-DDH schedule. This bit me trying to pick up some next-day flying before (iCrew said not enough rest)