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Av8rPHX 04-04-2021 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by MooseMuss (Post 3216886)
How much longer does the board retain its confidence in our CEO?



From their bios they are all pretty woke too...so indefinitely


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notEnuf 04-04-2021 08:13 PM


Originally Posted by MooseMuss (Post 3216886)
How much longer does the board retain its confidence in our CEO?

He’ll be praised as the steady handed hero who weathered the storm and guided us through the worst economic crisis the industry has ever seen.

Our cancellation record is improving, only 80ish this time and accommodations were made to get people moving, which will prove the necessity and viability of the center seat. It would only be 25 days early and they always said there will be starts and stops and we would adjust accordingly.

sailingfun 04-05-2021 03:09 AM


Originally Posted by beernutt (Post 3216433)
I’ve never seen so many people so happy when their company is having a hard time, regardless of how they think it happened. I just don’t get the whole ‘good, I hope they choke on it’ attitude.

Happy Easter.

Reminds me of a woman I know who gleefully got her ex husband fired from his job. Then her alimony checks stopped!

3 green 04-05-2021 03:15 AM


Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 3216821)
What reroutes are happening that are "illegal?" Don't just throw out a conclusion. Give examples so your fellow pilots can learn and say no to prevent them.

Ask your scheduling reps if any illegal reroutes happened last weekend. When I get mine resolved I'll post the details.

Trip7 04-05-2021 04:52 AM


Originally Posted by MooseMuss (Post 3216886)
How much longer does the board retain its confidence in our CEO?

The board is only worried about the big picture. What's the balance sheet looking like and what's Delta cash burn. After the crisis Delta went thru regaining positive cash flow was the new goal and everything else is icing on the cake.

My other guess is a big part of these operational issues is Delta being unwilling to staff a month of pilots for just a one weekend spike of leisure travelers. I have a feeling these cancellations come to an abrupt end when Business Travel return. Good news is that means more AEs to come this year

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vyperdriver 04-05-2021 05:22 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3216922)
Reminds me of a woman I know who gleefully got her ex husband fired from his job. Then her alimony checks stopped!

If you guys can't see the complete disaster the leadership has been over the past year, along with the number of times their direct, i would almost call out virtual assault on the pilot group has been, your living with your head in the sand.

notEnuf 04-05-2021 05:25 AM


Originally Posted by vyperdriver (Post 3216966)
If you guys can't see the complete disaster the leadership has been over the past year, along with the number of times their direct, i would almost call out virtual assault on the pilot group has been, your living with your head in the sand.

We all see it. We have just come to expect the blame and assault. Nobody gets outraged at what they expect to happen. As for the leadership, 0 cash burn surprise announcement 4/15, with a return to profitability. They will be heroes.

Eldee5 04-05-2021 05:37 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3216538)
The UAL deal worked because the .gov paid full salaries. Ours didn't work because of the MOAD and UNA usage. They got lucky, we were caught being overly cautious.

But they had to know that the world would be agressive in getting things running again for our collective global sakes. That a vaccine needed be developed in record time, a year. With this timeline, it would have been a well educated guess to first offer early outs, keep people on the payroll since the government was paying for it anyway, and keep pilots current. I think it was more than luck for UAL. Simply put, they were, and correctly, betting on a speedy recovery, because in their minds there was no other way.

sailingfun 04-05-2021 05:37 AM


Originally Posted by vyperdriver (Post 3216966)
If you guys can't see the complete disaster the leadership has been over the past year, along with the number of times their direct, i would almost call out virtual assault on the pilot group has been, your living with your head in the sand.

Certainly they have screwed manning up. However from a standpoint of how the airline is viewed publically most travel sources have been very positive and from the perspective of managing actual finances the airline is very well positioned. The cancelations yesterday were in fact mostly driven by a very liberal employee covid vaccination policy. Admittedly they should have anticipated the result.
If you hired a employee and your pay, work rule and benefit package was at the very top of the industry and he stood out on a corner and shouted that the company sucked with a bull horn how would you deal with that? You praise in public and condemn in private was a basic rule I was taught. I will bet you money I have pushed Delta through available private sources far more than 95% of the pilots on the list over negative issues. It’s easy to be a keyboard cowboy and shout on a public forum anonymously, it’s harder to write up issues and attach your name to them. The later does get attention I can assure you from personal experience.

boog123 04-05-2021 05:49 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3216538)
The UAL deal worked because the .gov paid full salaries. Ours didn't work because of the MOAD and UNA usage. They got lucky, we were caught being overly cautious.

UAL deal because folks got to keep their seats with reduced salaries vs getting displaced to lower paying jobs and then taking an hours cut. It was math. It passes because of the numbers, not because they were thinking outside the box..
Kinda like Bucking Bar spouting he’s the definition of unionism, yet in other lists saying how much of a pay cut he will take if he losses his Capt position. Faux angst.


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