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OOfff 06-09-2021 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3247784)
I did.

The point being - why bid a schedule when they just re-route at will.

Why even have PBS? Why have seniority?

I mean if you are going to ask that question, lets illustrate the absurdity by being absurd

because things change. The fact that this very occasionally happens (once for me ever) and we are paid handsomely for it makes my level of concern over it pretty low.

as they say, flexibility is the key to air power.

Drum 06-09-2021 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3247795)
because things change. The fact that this very occasionally happens (once for me ever) and we are paid handsomely for it makes my level of concern over it pretty low.

as they say, flexibility is the key to air power.

Happened more than once.

It has only happened during the NQAT/UNA/personnel shortage of recent.

I expect more of the same throughout the coming months as the system is FUBAR.

Hopefully we normalize and right the manning personnel shortages by next spring

OOfff 06-09-2021 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3247801)
Happened more than once.

It has only happened during the NQAT/UNA/personnel shortage of recent.

I expect more of the same throughout the coming months as the system is FUBAR.

Hopefully we normalize and right the manning personnel shortages by next spring

okay, so it happened to you twice and both times you came out ahead in both time and money. WhAt’S tHe PoInT oF bIdDiNg?!??!?

Bergman 06-09-2021 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3247795)
because things change. The fact that this very occasionally happens (once for me ever) and we are paid handsomely for it makes my level of concern over it pretty low.

as they say, flexibility is the key to air power.

You are living a very charmed life my friend.

I was rerouted literally dozens, perhaps several dozen, of times in 2019 alone. Close to half my rotations. And usually for very little, if any, reroute pay.

My experience is not unique by a long shot. NB sucks lately. Reroute protection is a top-3 contract issue for me honestly.

Flexibility is the key to good sex BTW.

sailingfun 06-09-2021 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3247769)
It's very legal. According to DALPA and the PWA.

Instead of going to PHX for my 30 hour layover then back; I did an SXM turn and was done.

Yes I got paid properly.

370Esq asked what a "late tag" was, I gave him an example. Not the first time this has happened to me on this fleet. I know of a few others this has happened to as well. Not a singularity.

Very plain and black and white section of the contract. Cant believe contract admin told you it was legal.

Ar Pilot 06-09-2021 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3247814)
Very plain and black and white section of the contract. Cant believe contract admin told you it was legal.


Yes. Find it very hard to believe any scheduling committee personnel at ALPA would have told him that was legal. The very fact he was paid assignment pay (probably from a dispute filed by the SC) is in direct contradiction of that.

FL370esq 06-09-2021 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 3247793)
Then again once you are wheels in the well and headed towards ATL you are fair game.

Fixed it for you. 😁

And yes, basically they can legally substitute a turn but the exception is pretty narrow. Looks like Drum did not have a turn though if it was one leg to a 30-hour layover. Guess they just treated it like tag-on flying at the end of a regular line holder rotation. Not permitted by the PWA but still dangled out there. The tag-on used to result in IA pay for the tag-on portion. Heard an ugly rumor the Company was starting to pay only the additional time, no premium because they felt the pilot "knowingly and voluntarily" waived his/her/other rights under the PWA and therefore was not entitled to the customary IA pay. As you said, gotta know your PWA well enough to know that something just doesn't seem right.

Bert Sampson 06-09-2021 06:49 PM

Everything bad that can happen to a pilot at Delta has happened to drum 35 times

sailingfun 06-10-2021 03:35 AM


Originally Posted by Bert Sampson (Post 3247870)
Everything bad that can happen to a pilot at Delta has happened to drum 35 times

Delta is trying to make Drum a multimillionaire, he is going to fight them every inch of the way.

Scoop 06-10-2021 04:36 AM

The odds of getting rerouted are directly proportional to your proximity to ATL, kind of like its the black hole of reroutes, once you are under its gravitational influence you are basically doomed. :eek: I have been mostly based in LAX on NB aircraft the last 21 years and rarely get rerouted - probably average less than once a year. I think every reroute except one was flying into ATL.

I agree that we need to look at this closely for section 6, I imagine if your a NB Pilot based in ATL it can be very frustrating.

Scoop


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