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Drum 06-09-2021 06:56 AM


Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 3247345)
I'm still a new guy at 20+ years....what is a late tag? Never heard that term before.

You have signed in for your rotation.

You are sitting in the seat for the first leg of the rotation. Checklists done, just chatting. 20 minutes from push and you get re-routed. Like get up leave the jet you are on to go to another gate and operate a different trip...That should have pushed 10 minutes ago.

That is a late tag. Totally legal from the PWA.

FL370esq 06-09-2021 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3247557)
You have signed in for your rotation.

You are sitting in the seat for the first leg of the rotation. Checklists done, just chatting. 20 minutes from push and you get re-routed. Like get up leave the jet you are on to go to another gate and operate a different trip...That should have pushed 10 minutes ago.

That is a late tag. Totally legal from the PWA.

Gotcha.

Hopefully they honored the exception to 23.L.2.a....otherwise not "totally legal" for a regular line-holder.
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Wolf424 06-09-2021 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 3247523)
Now we know why they were so aggressive in getting rid of the 88's...now no fleet has the tailcone escape option...


I mean, you still can on the 717, but it might draw a bit of attention

tennisguru 06-09-2021 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by Wolf424 (Post 3247622)
I mean, you still can on the 717, but it might draw a bit of attention

Save that one for your retirement flight...

hockeypilot44 06-09-2021 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3247557)
You have signed in for your rotation.

You are sitting in the seat for the first leg of the rotation. Checklists done, just chatting. 20 minutes from push and you get re-routed. Like get up leave the jet you are on to go to another gate and operate a different trip...That should have pushed 10 minutes ago.

That is a late tag. Totally legal from the PWA.

That's a great reroute. You'll get single pay and credit for what you were supposed to fly plus double pay, no credit for everything you do fly. It's not legal, but it's fly now, grieve later. They'll pay the above and they know it.

sailingfun 06-09-2021 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3247557)
You have signed in for your rotation.

You are sitting in the seat for the first leg of the rotation. Checklists done, just chatting. 20 minutes from push and you get re-routed. Like get up leave the jet you are on to go to another gate and operate a different trip...That should have pushed 10 minutes ago.

That is a late tag. Totally legal from the PWA.

Not legal at all. I encourage all pilots to keep a copy of the contract handy and have a good basic knowledge of section 23.
You should have been very well compensated if you accepted the illegal reroute. This is not a fly now and grieve later situation as it’s black and white in the contract and not a gray area.

hockeypilot44 06-09-2021 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3247709)
Not legal at all. I encourage all pilots to keep a copy of the contract handy and have a good basic knowledge of section 23.

It's not legal, but it has happened. Like I said, you'll essentially get triple pay. Who cares what they do if getting 63 hours for a 4 day trip?

tripled 06-09-2021 12:00 PM


Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux (Post 3247032)
Refresh my memory, no sarcasm.

I don't believe ARCOS is currently set up for IA's. As a practical matter, if you don't answer your phone, it's difficult to get an IA.

Can you be assigned an IA mid rotation via ACARS, for example?

Not really necessary because the GS, and more specifically, GSWC is such a sweet deal there's apparently no limit to the amount of pilots who will pick them up. Fine by me.

An IA mid-rotation is called a reroute. Not fair, especially for those who bid specific trips based on their seniority. I agree that some reroutes can be lucrative.

sailingfun 06-09-2021 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3247712)
It's not legal, but it has happened. Like I said, you'll essentially get triple pay. Who cares what they do if getting 63 hours for a 4 day trip?

I agree it happens. He could however have refused the reroute. I have been rerouted illegally and told crew tracking it was not legal. They have removed us from the reroute in those situations most of the time. Some reroutes are a gray area and in that case fly now and grieve later applies. In one case they insisted we fly a reroute I felt was improper and it rained money on us. Copilots said we would never get paid. When the settlement came through the copilots promised I drink free for life on trips with either of them!

hockeypilot44 06-09-2021 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by tripled (Post 3247718)
An IA mid-rotation is called a reroute. Not fair, especially for those who bid specific trips based on their seniority. I agree that some reroutes can be lucrative.

These reroutes suck. You get single pay no credit for anything no on your original rotation starting 14 hours after the reroute. It's usually the equivalent of a less than 2 hours for the deadhead back onto rotation. These ones don't pay enough for me to like them especially when it costs me a 32 hour layover in MSY or BNA.


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