35 Large RJs coming back?
05-26-2021 | 05:12 AM
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Yes...but by all means if dalpa wants to negotiate that during arbitration then I'd be all for it. Out numbering your opponent doesn't always mean you win...this isn't a street fight...even though some may argue. Your mec is all for guaranteed progression for 9E pilots. We are in a bad position and we understand that. But there's no way this gets voted no on endeavors side. Hate how it's tied to scope. Best case would be dalpa wins...flow stops but arbitration lasts long enough to get some 9E pilots over. Then kinda forces dal to renegotiate another process that's not tied to scope. That's the best case scenario.
05-26-2021 | 05:17 AM
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I was wondering the same thing. The CPOs can help/crush individual pilots as required, but they certainly have no influence on company policy. Seems like a waste of their time and ours to be complaining about this issue.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVED the content and tone of JA's letter, just that one sentence had me scratching my head.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVED the content and tone of JA's letter, just that one sentence had me scratching my head.
05-26-2021 | 05:36 AM
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How is he delusional? I think he brings up a good point. We (The Delta Pilot group) are counting on our contractual language to pull off a win? It seems I have seen this movie once or twice before. It should be a no-brainer and yet somehow I am worried. No matter how many times we are burned by poor PWA language we keep repeating it.
The intent of the Pilot group was a specific flow with Compass. When the flow down may have been needed it was not there. Now that it may not be needed it may come back. Regardless of what happens, it is inconceivable that we would have allowed any language without bulletproof, waterproof, airtight, and management proof language it it. How many times do we as a Pilot have to be burned by swiss cheese type PWA wording?
I get it, we have to negotiate and can not demand things from management, but there is no excuse whatsoever for thinking our PWA protects us from something to find out that we were outmaneuvered once again.
Finally, even if we win the grievance it will be a tactical win for DALPA but a strategic loss as we will most likely fly the 35 Large RJs all summer long.
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The intent of the Pilot group was a specific flow with Compass. When the flow down may have been needed it was not there. Now that it may not be needed it may come back. Regardless of what happens, it is inconceivable that we would have allowed any language without bulletproof, waterproof, airtight, and management proof language it it. How many times do we as a Pilot have to be burned by swiss cheese type PWA wording?
I get it, we have to negotiate and can not demand things from management, but there is no excuse whatsoever for thinking our PWA protects us from something to find out that we were outmaneuvered once again.
Finally, even if we win the grievance it will be a tactical win for DALPA but a strategic loss as we will most likely fly the 35 Large RJs all summer long.
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05-26-2021 | 05:48 AM
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Why would Endeavor shrink by 35 planes? Those planes are parked right now, and not going to Endeavor anyway. We won’t gain or lose airplanes regardless of how this goes.
05-26-2021 | 05:50 AM
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because it is probably easier/cheaper to shrink 9E by 35 planes than terminate a CPA with a non WO carrier.
05-26-2021 | 05:54 AM
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Yes...but by all means if dalpa wants to negotiate that during arbitration then I'd be all for it. Out numbering your opponent doesn't always mean you win...this isn't a street fight...even though some may argue. Your mec is all for guaranteed progression for 9E pilots. We are in a bad position and we understand that. But there's no way this gets voted no on endeavors side. Hate how it's tied to scope. Best case would be dalpa wins...flow stops but arbitration lasts long enough to get some 9E pilots over. Then kinda forces dal to renegotiate another process that's not tied to scope. That's the best case scenario.
05-26-2021 | 06:00 AM
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If this passes at 9E, it will reignite the internal ALPA war. Former Comair and ASA pilots know there is a better way. You have some favorable sentiment for bringing those planes and pilots to Delta. Think long and hard about how you want to be received at mainline. If there was ever a real opportunity to begin to end this dichotomy of employment under the Delta brand, now is the time. Your vote down would create a situation where management is looking for an alternative. There is no other wholly owned carrier and the others would be hesitant to take those jets and spin up training knowing they may never see them AND sign a bidirectional flow that adds cost to their staffing model. You're going to make history either way.
05-26-2021 | 06:01 AM
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05-26-2021 | 06:03 AM
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Internally in DCI there is a shuffle. Republic has/will park the rest of the 170s, Endeabor takes 6 seats out of the same number of 900s, and that’s it. There’s a handful of planes straight parked, but not 35 ready and waiting to be reactivated. To get “back” the 35 that would require new aircraft orders.
05-26-2021 | 06:16 AM
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those planes are all already transferred to OO and RAH and will be flying soon, ergo the scope grievance. If DLAPA is successful in their grievance DL will have to park some 76 seaters. My understanding is They get to pick which ones. Picking from 9E will probably be the cheapest option
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