I know, I've read that ruling, but the contract rejection only lasts for the duration of the bankruptcy, after that, scope issues would then be determined by the court of appeals.

 

What court of appeals? Do you have a source?

 

https://www.uscourts.gov/about-feder...-cases/appeals

 

They get brought into a RLA issue how?

 

The pilots would appeal the bankruptcy ruling, suing to have the ruling overturned, or the issue decided by the NMB, which is the proper jurisdiction, as only the NMB defines craft/class. The reality is, management would have to win at the NMB, and perhaps even going to Congress in order to operate RJ's without pilot consent.

The bottom line is that the scope fight doesn't end at the ruling of a Bankruptcy judge.

 

“Doesn’t control seniority lists?” Seems like a whole bunch of millions were wasted on merger committees and lawsuits over the years then.

 

Does anyone besides me think the whole DCI system actually hurts Delta financially in the long run? I am not just talking about labor costs but basically Delta is subsidizing the training costs of our future competitors.

Take Breeze or whatever it’s name is - They will lure away very highly qualified Pilots from DCI who will be willing to work for absurdly low wages. This will enable Breeze to undercut Delta on some routes. I know I know - those aren’t the customers we are chasing. To that I say BS! I guess Valujet/AirTran didn’t impact us at all. I guess Jet Blue doesn’t impact us at all. Even though we are chasing the business traveler it would help all of the legacies if there was not such a downward pressure on ticket prices.

Ticketbprices are high right now you say. Correct says I, but there was a time not to long ago when airlines were flying passengers for cheaper than it costs to provide that seat - who is to say those times will not return.

If all the legacies brought all of their connection Pilots onboard there would be a lot less Pilots willing to work for absurdly low wages. In fact the legacies should proactively recruit Pilots from all of these ultra low paying start ups.

It seems Jet Blue, Allegient, and Spirit have greatly improved their contracts but now here comes Breeze to run the tried and true program of starting everyone on super low first year wages and have an artificial cost advantage for many years. I hope I am wrong - thoughts?


Scoop

 

This is part of the benefit of flow. It makes it more enticing for pilots to wait it out rather than bail for an LCC. LCCs require our regionals to develop their pilots. It would be a tactical move to make it harder for them to grab those guys. Each legacy grabbing 10 pilots a month from LCCs would drastically limit them, while being a drop in the bucket for legacies doing 150-200 a month in hiring.

 

Yes.

The purchases of ASA & Comair, upgrades to facilities and fleets, strikes and spinning them off were at least $25bn. The company has always struggled to allocate costs across various operators. Conservatively, outsourcing adds 7% to 9% on a CASM basis for overhead and maintaining a redundant operational structure. It would be much cheaper to integrate these operations into a seamless product.

 

Can’t wait to see us hiring and training 200 a month.

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