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Gone Flying 08-18-2021 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by Sailingbill (Post 3281272)
On a second note, what is the desired attire to wear? I hear a grey suit (conservative) with perhaps a red tie ?

the rumor for awhile was blue suit/red tie. I’m pretty sure DPR had tried to put out that this is in no way a requirement, but lots of people were still doing that pre Covid. But I would say just wear a suit that fits well and looks good.

I will second get the vaccine before the interview if you want to work here. At least have the first shot by interview date.

ClncClarence 08-18-2021 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by Sailingbill (Post 3281272)
On a second note, what is the desired attire to wear? I hear a grey suit (conservative) with perhaps a red tie ?

Wear something that fits and looks professional. It’s that simple. Just don’t stroll in looking like Lloyd Christmas and you’re fine.

Sailingbill 08-18-2021 08:57 AM

Any other gouges? Logbook reviews (how in depth)? Consultant companies to use?

FangsF15 08-18-2021 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by Sailingbill (Post 3281299)
Any other gouges? Logbook reviews (how in depth)? Consultant companies to use?

There is a ton of information in various threads here, but it can be difficult to find. Try the search function for some of these terms.

Emerald Coast, Cage, and Checked and Set are all solid prep/review companies folks have used. Don't skimp on cost for prepping for what will be a multi-million dollar career. Just fork up the funds, and be as prepared as you possibly can.

As for logbook review, depends on Military or Civ. For prior military, the seem to take your flight records at face value. Do your best on the application to honestly replicate the XC hours, Instrument time/approaches. Have a reasonable method you can explain, and you'll be fine. If coming from the pure Civ side, some have gone so far as to put their info into a third party software, and print/bind a single logbook, while still having the originals with them to validate signatures/sign offs. I've often felt this was overkill, but it's your career, so...

Best of luck, and don't be afraid to ask for help. You may see the occasional jerk comment, but there are plenty of folks who honestly are willing to assist however they can.

buckleyboy 08-18-2021 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by Sailingbill (Post 3281299)
Any other gouges? Logbook reviews (how in depth)? Consultant companies to use?

Another vote for EC. I also used Aero Crew Solutions. Both were well worth the investment.

I recall some logbook scrutiny. Maybe it was about “other time” on mil records—which I had not included in total time. Easy to way to see how I handled confrontation.
there plenty of funny comments in my GA logbook. They were noticed and provoked inquiry.

Sailingbill 08-18-2021 09:38 AM

Thanks for all the constructive criticism/help! It is greatly appreciated.. my logs were all transformed to logbook pro from paper about 7 years ago and have 15 years of mostly 121 flying bound in a clean format.. as with everything, when you begin to dig through the logs, I found errors with N numbers not being listed and other minor errors. All time adds up perfectly though.

Margaritaville 08-18-2021 09:41 AM

I feel sorry for the young folks trying to get flying jobs these days who have to jump through all these hoops. It used to be a logbook review, HR, and some operational questions. Now it's all these asinine computer games and in depth TMAAT situational questions that test everything but flying and leadership skills. All to get a job babysitting an Airbus or Boeing that people flew 30+ years ago without a degree or all this mumbo jumbo. We are going to DSM, not the moon here. What's up with the NASA interviews? Why do they feel compelled to make things so much more difficult than they really are? Just proof that there isn't nor will ever be a true pilot shortage. Otherwise, they'd be hiring pilots, not HR darlings with advanced degrees who build houses for the homeless on all their days off.

Sailingbill 08-18-2021 10:03 AM

Amen!! It’s a crazy reality… Everything is different.

StickPig 08-18-2021 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3281313)
There is a ton of information in various threads here, but it can be difficult to find. Try the search function for some of these terms.

Emerald Coast, Cage, and Checked and Set are all solid prep/review companies folks have used. Don't skimp on cost for prepping for what will be a multi-million dollar career. Just fork up the funds, and be as prepared as you possibly can.

As for logbook review, depends on Military or Civ. For prior military, the seem to take your flight records at face value. Do your best on the application to honestly replicate the XC hours, Instrument time/approaches. Have a reasonable method you can explain, and you'll be fine. If coming from the pure Civ side, some have gone so far as to put their info into a third party software, and print/bind a single logbook, while still having the originals with them to validate signatures/sign offs. I've often felt this was overkill, but it's your career, so...

Best of luck, and don't be afraid to ask for help. You may see the occasional jerk comment, but there are plenty of folks who honestly are willing to assist however they can.

I know at least one legacy includes a tech portion on the interview. The interview invite states a panel interview, MMPI and psych evaluation, but no mention of technical questions. Realizing most all is fair game in an interview, is it reasonable to expect what they say at face value?

Scheduled to interview on the 24th. Had my logbooks bound and professionally printed, and using ECIC for HR prep. It’s been great so far, and really looking forward to being more prepared for an interview than ever before…

Funk 08-18-2021 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3281326)
I feel sorry for the young folks trying to get flying jobs these days who have to jump through all these hoops. It used to be a logbook review, HR, and some operational questions. Now it's all these asinine computer games and in depth TMAAT situational questions that test everything but flying and leadership skills. All to get a job babysitting an Airbus or Boeing that people flew 30+ years ago without a degree or all this mumbo jumbo. We are going to DSM, not the moon here. What's up with the NASA interviews? Why do they feel compelled to make things so much more difficult than they really are? Just proof that there isn't nor will ever be a true pilot shortage. Otherwise, they'd be hiring pilots, not HR darlings with advanced degrees who build houses for the homeless on all their days off.

This would be the way that an HR and recruiting department justify their existence and cost to the higher ups - by quoting a "scientific" process for how they go about hiring, they paint the picture that they are the sentinels on the wall, defending the brand from unwashed barbarians that would destroy all that the company holds dear. The more involved the process, the more they feel they hold the power to tweak and control it, but . . . I am of the opinion that it really is a charade meant to grow the HR/Recruiting kingdom and wrest influence or control away from pilots (that cannot be trusted because some engage in douchetastic behavior with non-pilots).


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