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Old 08-26-2021 | 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Bert Sampson
Looking around at all my friends and noticing that I’m the highest paid with the most time off isn’t devaluing myself. I hustled my butt off to get here but that doesn’t mean I ignore reality.
You need to hang with higher income folks. The guys I golf with make more in a month than we do in a year. Most are retired before 50. I sometimes feel like the help. We may be top 5%, but we are the bottom, don’t kid yourself.
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Old 08-26-2021 | 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by boog123
You need to hang with higher income folks. The guys I golf with make more in a month than we do in a year. Most are retired before 50. I sometimes feel like the help. We may be top 5%, but we are the bottom, don’t kid yourself.
To use the vernacular, top 5%er, but not a top 1%er. Truth is a senior CA with a major is about top 2%er, not the top 1/2 of 1%er you are playing with.

Do they let you keep any of their balls that land in the water, and you go chase down?
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Old 08-26-2021 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by interceptorpilo
Do all your friends have their job riding on a medical check up every six months? Do all you friends spend 15 or more nights away from home every month? Did all your friends pay six figures for training beyond a four year degree or spend eight or more years in the military just to get the opportunity to apply for a low paying job that MIGHT lead to this high paying job? Are any of them literally responsible for the lives of hundreds of people EVERY time they go to work? I hang out with mostly doctors and entrepreneurs. They do work longer hours in general. They make more money than me too. So what? They are home every weekend and holiday as well as every night. That is the profession they chose with the benefits and drawbacks that come with it. I know some ditch diggers that work long back breaking hours. Does that mean they should get more pay than me? Than a doctor? I think a fair metric for our pay is how it measures up historically to the same job. Apparently you disagree. Continue the self flagellation.
Couldn’t have said it better! It amazes me how some in our own ranks think we are overpaid for what we do. Unreal. He/she has had a totally different career path than me. Probably is young and hired in the last 5 years and has moved up quickly and enjoyed the pay and time off and it’s been all roses until Covid. But they made it through that with a paid year off and now it’s back to moving up through the ranks. Must have no clue what it’s been like for someone hired 20+ years ago.
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Old 08-27-2021 | 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Der Meister
It would be great to fly them. Unfortunately the company decided to go to mediation so who knows when we will fly them. They can sit parked for all I care until we get the rate for them in our new contract. All this management team seems to care about is $ and stock buy backs.

Edit: we definitely shouldn't LOA a new rate for the NEOs. We need to force the company to actually negotiate with us. All they do is run to the government for help... with how they lobbied for the tax payers help last year to keep people on the payroll. Then turned around and gave people unpaid time off and helped them complete unemployment forms is just disgusting.
I have posted this before but please get a copy of your contract. It can be downloaded from the DALPA website.

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Old 08-27-2021 | 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
Did we get rid of a provision that a jet can't turn a wheel until a pay rate is agreed upon?
Yes we did...20 years ago. Contract knowledge... it's an enlightening thing.
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Old 08-27-2021 | 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Der Meister
It would be great to fly them. Unfortunately the company decided to go to mediation so who knows when we will fly them. They can sit parked for all I care until we get the rate for them in our new contract. All this management team seems to care about is $ and stock buy backs.



Edit: we definitely shouldn't LOA a new rate for the NEOs. We need to force the company to actually negotiate with
Uh do you even know the contractual language here? False bravado rings really hollow when all the underlying assumptions are 100% wrong.

But to clarify. We'll fly the NEOs as soon as they show up on property. We'll continue to fly them and they will never be parked. The pay rates MAY climb slightly at some point as a result of negotiations or arbitration.

That is all. Why? Because that's what the contract calls for.
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Old 08-27-2021 | 04:36 AM
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The history isn't even that distant. We literally just went through this with the 321CEO.
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Old 08-27-2021 | 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
Yes we did...20 years ago. Contract knowledge... it's an enlightening thing.
Ya, my post was more rhetorical and in line with what you're saying. Along those lines, is there a place all our old contracts are posted? The search function on the DALPA website is terrible and I haven't yet found a place where they have them listed. Maybe it's out there and I'm missing it, but it would be a great resource.
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Old 08-27-2021 | 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by GucciBoy
The company can operate them without a pay rate…3 B.
I think you mean 3.E
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Old 08-27-2021 | 09:11 AM
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I think this fits the discussion - it's from a Council 20 newsletter a few years ago, needs updating but you get the idea.

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