Never seen a Brinks truck following a hearse.

Your type of thinking is what got us here. 30 years ago this job meant one helluva lifestyle. Nice house, on the water or fly in community. Serious boat at the dock or plane in the hanger. Wife didn’t need to work if she didn’t want to. Kids went to private school. Oh and you had a seriously good pension. 7 weeks vacation with touching trips. Non revving was easy. Oh and you NEVER even heard of somebody getting a GS.
Do you think the job is so much easier that your skills are now worth so much less? We the pilots are to blame for the degradation of our contract. Nobody gets what they deserve, they get what they are willing to fight like hell for.

 

LOL. If you not able to have a "Helluva" lifestyle on current Delta pay without the spouse working you have issues. Especially with all the Profit Sharing checks we've received over the past few years.

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Trip7 has officially been deployed to tamp down expectations during contract negotiations- shocking, just shocking. Ignore the man behind the curtain that is the worst inflationary environment anyone has seen since WW II.

 

Tamp down expectations? Pilots have all the leverage. The Union is doing its work. Sections are closing quickly with industry leading agreements. One does not need to pose as if our job is horrible to extract gains. This is a simple demand curve exercise. Record demand for flights, record shortage of pilots.

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I don't always agree with Trip's posts, but I commend his optimism. Reading some of the miserable posts on this site and others, you'd think we were all a couple of days from dumpster diving to stay alive. This is still a pretty good job, with very good pay. That post about boats, fly-in communities, private schools and the rest I've read before. I suspect it was merely copied and pasted from some other rant posted elsewhere. And it is complete horse hockey from the first word to the last. Any captain at DAL, and most FOs can do all that now. Doesn't take multiple GS. The "good ol' days" weren't always that, and sometimes we all tend to look back with filtered memories.

So Trip, keep up the positive vibes--just don't get into the realm of Pollyanna vibes where all is perfect and nothing needs to be improved. I like the late sci fi author Robert Heinlein's quote. “Don't ever become a pessimist; a pessimist is correct oftener than an optimist, but an optimist has more fun--and neither can stop the march of events.”

 

Which sections?

if you are referring to the training/SLI section, that closed because the company desperately needed it, not because they were being generous!

 

While I agree with your message that we need to come together to get the best possible outcome for our pilot group, saying this is our fault or this happened because we were weak is not the real truth.

This profession has been attacked as all skilled labor is attacked, but even more so than others. The world is run by corporations that make sure they maintain the best rules to their advantage. We became organized, they made sure to get us into the RLA, taking away our main form fighting. Deregulation meant they had to get the rules a new way. Enter chapter 11, everyone gets paid but labor, and skilled organized labor has but one tactic left. Quit.

We are in the most epic time of supply and demand we will see for foreseeable generations, and what tools are at our disposal? Individually decide not to fly more and use safety of fatigue calls if rerouted.

The game is so stacked against every employee not in the executive suite it’s no wonder 4% is celebrated. We’ll get a decent contract I think, but it’s going to take some time. Im sure management hopes to drag it till the first signs of recession, then we can be blamed for the next round of bankruptcies. Now if even some organized labor tactics were legally allowed, we’d be getting our inflation pay rates, and schedule enhancements probably before June.

Alas, I agree with herks message of optimism.

 

The same answer i gave the union back when they first did surveys on this contract. Should be the easiest section to finish (though now maybe harder than the things they started doing that just need to be written down, ie newhire hotels and positive space commuting):

Every Jan 1, the better of:

• Current rates
• Current rates * inflation (some version decided by people smarter than me)
• Equivalent AAL, UAL, or SWA rates, not including PS

Full retro to amendable date, increases into indefinite future.

Next subject.

 

Point of order…we don’t know what that green slip will pay you. I personally won’t be voting to ratify any agreement that doesn’t include full retro or its fair equivalent.

 

This is BS. My house that I bought for half a million 7 years ago is now going for over $1.2 million. This is a small 4 bedroom house. Nothing special about it. I bought it back when I making just over $200k per year (ps included in that number). 7 years later, I'm making just over $200k per year. Everything is more expensive. I feel bad for our new hires. Without massive raises, they will all be house poor....unless they wait for the market to crash.