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04-16-2022 | 02:23 PM
#951
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Pretty certain that voting no on a TA brought us the current contract. Maybe I’m mistaken on that.
No one said there would never be another black swan, that’s an absurd statement.
I don’t think you can judge this until we get the results. The game ain’t over in 6th inning.
Ed stated the MEC was “disagreeable” during October of 2020, during furlough mitigation negotiations, not at the beginning of section 6. I suspect he’s not thanking them for the lowered TLV and GS trigger, but I am.
No one said there would never be another black swan, that’s an absurd statement.
I don’t think you can judge this until we get the results. The game ain’t over in 6th inning.
Ed stated the MEC was “disagreeable” during October of 2020, during furlough mitigation negotiations, not at the beginning of section 6. I suspect he’s not thanking them for the lowered TLV and GS trigger, but I am.
04-16-2022 | 03:48 PM
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So, by that rationale, we should accept whatever crumbs (or paycuts) the company is offering in the interest in re-setting the clock. Even if it’s a net loss compared to inflation? Man, sometimes it’s really hard to tell what side you’re on, actually, it really seems like you aren’t on our (pilots) side at all. I guess all there is left to say is; “noted”.
04-16-2022 | 03:51 PM
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You need to go back and read posts two years ago. Time value of money and contract timelessness were of no value. There would never be another black swan event.
It was worth holding out for years and full retro was a guarantee! The strategy that took us from a absolutely horribly bankruptcy contract back to top of the industry in 10 years was worthless. We did not even need to consider what worked and what has not worked. We jumped into the deep water with a plan that has never once succeeded in a industry under the RLA and it seems everyone thought we would simply walk on the water.
From all the recent posts it looks like reality has set in. Reality can be harsh, results matter. EB when we had just started negotiations said this was the most recalcitrant MEC he had ever dealt with. I suspect now he goes to bed every night thanking the gods for that recalcitrant MEC. It saved him billions!
It was worth holding out for years and full retro was a guarantee! The strategy that took us from a absolutely horribly bankruptcy contract back to top of the industry in 10 years was worthless. We did not even need to consider what worked and what has not worked. We jumped into the deep water with a plan that has never once succeeded in a industry under the RLA and it seems everyone thought we would simply walk on the water.
From all the recent posts it looks like reality has set in. Reality can be harsh, results matter. EB when we had just started negotiations said this was the most recalcitrant MEC he had ever dealt with. I suspect now he goes to bed every night thanking the gods for that recalcitrant MEC. It saved him billions!
04-16-2022 | 03:54 PM
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I voted no on TA1. TA2 occurred because of a RA leaving. That put the brand new CEO in a position of not wanting instant labor unrest. In retrospect however we would have been much better off as a pilot group with TA1. We gave up some work rules issues, a initial raise 6 months ahead of the amendable date but far more devastating was extending the contract 1 year. That extension will have a big lifetime effect on earnings as we have now missed a entire contract cycle. It far outweighs the gains in TA2.
Yeah, I’m going to go ahead and completely disagree with you
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04-16-2022 | 04:35 PM
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I voted no on TA1. TA2 occurred because of a RA leaving. That put the brand new CEO in a position of not wanting instant labor unrest. In retrospect however we would have been much better off as a pilot group with TA1. We gave up some work rules issues, a initial raise 6 months ahead of the amendable date but far more devastating was extending the contract 1 year. That extension will have a big lifetime effect on earnings as we have now missed a entire contract cycle. It far outweighs the gains in TA2.
The sick leave section alone was worth voting it down.
04-16-2022 | 04:58 PM
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I don't think RA leaving had anything to do with it. We had a TA that traded profit sharing for rates.....again. We voted it down, then United signed a deal based on the failed TA's rates. Then we pattern bargained off their new deal.
The sick leave section alone was worth voting it down.
The sick leave section alone was worth voting it down.
04-16-2022 | 05:04 PM
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I voted no on TA1. TA2 occurred because of a RA leaving. That put the brand new CEO in a position of not wanting instant labor unrest. In retrospect however we would have been much better off as a pilot group with TA1. We gave up some work rules issues, a initial raise 6 months ahead of the amendable date but far more devastating was extending the contract 1 year. That extension will have a big lifetime effect on earnings as we have now missed a entire contract cycle. It far outweighs the gains in TA2.
Can you clarify your statements about all of the people saying we wouldn’t have another black swan, the fact that we clearly lost despite the negotiating game not being over, or the fact that I gave you an accurate timeline for your erroneous claims about Ed’s statement?
Maybe we should just write that off as some grade A hyper-bowl.
04-16-2022 | 05:23 PM
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I voted no on TA1. TA2 occurred because of a RA leaving. That put the brand new CEO in a position of not wanting instant labor unrest. In retrospect however we would have been much better off as a pilot group with TA1. We gave up some work rules issues, a initial raise 6 months ahead of the amendable date but far more devastating was extending the contract 1 year. That extension will have a big lifetime effect on earnings as we have now missed a entire contract cycle. It far outweighs the gains in TA2.
04-16-2022 | 07:44 PM
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Now, unless you break a bone, or spend the night in the hospital, every other sick call goes against your 100 hour balance. And once you hit the 100 hour balance..all sick calls have to be verified after. A big loss in sick leave benefit, IMHO.
04-17-2022 | 02:28 AM
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