Originally Posted by notEnuf

Yes, that makes sense. The job pays more because it was used to lever more for SLIs, great. That's an economics argument not a duties and responsibilities of the position argument. I'm saying that lever should be used for the benefit of all. Start making captains SLIs with a similar override. Now that junior folks can bid captain, that's the going rate. To use this lever we should have a rebuttal for the argument that it has job specific reasons for the increased pay and requires more than a line job or a DGS job. I want you to have more but I also want that to apply to non-SLIs because they are the ones at risk. If I can hold something shouldn't I get paid for that too? BTW, I never made an argument for less. What I did was ask for reasoning for the increase. The rarest positions are regional captains right now. So they should get the most incentives and pay now by your logic. Do you understand the economic versus qualifications argument now?

Originally Posted by SabreDriver

I’m glad the economic argument makes sense to you. The company gets it too.

The duties and responsibilities aspect for you is this, as I see it:

A SLI has to be everything that a line pilot is, plus… all the duties and responsibilities of the SLI position as laid out in the PWA and the FOPP(s) and as defined under the AQP standards, et al.

That is more, so it should cost more. The company gets it too. Thanks for listening.

Cue my best Forrest Gump voice, and that’s all I have to say about that.


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Originally Posted by Trip7

5 years....YIKES. In this environment that's a very very tough sell.

No point for him to write his reps. Section 11 is already agreed upon and according to the Company for SLIs/LCPs it's "The Richest Provisions in the industry"

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Originally Posted by notEnuf

Finally a cohesive argument. Thanks for posting. The and not or perspective makes sense. Here’s my $.02 if the company can’t get FOs to commit to the job, then they will have to hire captains. In this environment that should drive up the captain rates and that in turn drives up line captain and FO rates. Make SLI a captain job. Everyone on property has a shot at that is the going economic rate.

Originally Posted by Falcon20

Has this been put out in an official capacity from the union or the company? I’m not saying it isn’t true but the last I saw was that section 11 had some more exchanges to go through before an AIP.

Originally Posted by Trip7

Yes, it's on Deltanet. JL's latest Negotiations update

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Originally Posted by Gunfighter

As a commuter from a no income tax state, this would make me think twice about an SLI job. More than 50% of an SLI pilot pay comes from working in GA. I know of TN, FL and TX commuters no paying GA income tax, but have any actually defended themselves successfully in an audit?

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Originally Posted by boog123

Seriously? Do you know the audit % at a pilots income? How about that income then prepared by a CPA? Get over it…You sound like Trip7 thinking 200-300k is income that solves everything.

Originally Posted by Gunfighter

Yes, I am seriously asking if being an SLI creates a Nexus for GA state income tax. It seems it would, but I was asking for real data. Thanks Sailingfun for a real answer. I have a rough idea of federal tax audit percentages, but don’t know the GA numbers. Any chance you have meaningful data to contribute?



I’m not sure where the 200-300k income comment comes from. Income doesn’t solve everything if you don’t have time to enjoy it. Back to the topic, running at redline doesn’t provide much time for income enjoyment.

Originally Posted by Der Meister

I would say the more fatigued you are the harder it is to tell that you are fatigued. I quite often after getting into the van to the hotel actually realize how tired I was or am. The current NB trips are just recklessly built to maximize profit at the cost of all other factors including safety.