MEC Brief: Operating At Red Line, Again

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03-09-2022 | 10:37 AM

#61

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Originally Posted by Boatbuilder

When all the pilots that are still “on the hook” to the military (reserves, guard, etc) get called up we will be even shorter on pilots. Add to this the difficulty it will place on hiring when stop loss is enacted.

Don’t forget CRAF…

03-09-2022 | 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by CBreezy

Here's an interesting fact: Delta is not metering new hires from SKW, RAH and EDV to 5 off the street candidates per month due to staffing issues at those carriers.

i think it is *now*

If I were still at one of those carriers, I would be bailing to any LCC that called if I could just go get around this. I don’t think it will have the effect they want it to have.

03-09-2022 | 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by CBreezy

Here's an interesting fact: Delta is now metering new hires from SKW, RAH and EDV to 5 off the street candidates per month due to staffing issues at those carriers.

*Corrected

If this is the case we have a severe ego problem with management thinking those pilots will wait for DL instead of leaving for AA, UA, SWA, JetBlue, Frontier, Spirit, Allegiant, etc..

03-09-2022 | 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Gone Flying

LOL agree. Its a short term approach and to whatever extent it appears to work right now, it'll backfire in due time.

Its almost as worthless a strategy as relying on quarter million dollar big box college programs to train the needed pilot supply.

03-09-2022 | 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Gunfighter

If this is the case we have a severe ego problem with management thinking those pilots will wait for DL instead of leaving for AA, UA, SWA, JetBlue, Frontier, Spirit, Allegiant, etc..

The same thing is happening with AA and their wholly owneds. It probably works as intend for some of the regional pilot group, keeping guys there until they flow, but it's ****ed off a lot more, and a lot of people are considering Delta and United that weren't previously.

03-09-2022 | 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Extenda

Just playing devils advocate, the company is hiring 200 a month and trying to get the staffing level up as fast as they possibly can. Not sure what else they can do besides start cancelling flights due to staffing? If they cooled off on hiring and still ran at redline that would be a different story. Thoughts?

Flight Ops could actually tell Network they can’t staff the flying being requested. I’m sure if they started with something along the lines of, “Due to the most absolutely necessary staffing moves we made during the pandemic that absolutely were the best possible decisions and couldn’t have worked out better for all involved, we need more time to train replacements for all of the pilots that are training on their 2nd, 3rd, and 4th fleets in 2 years.” They’d probably accept that with no problems.

I have no sympathy when they caused the staffing issues and never took an opportunity to change the course when it became apparent we would need more pilots sooner than their pessimistic estimations. We’re the ones paying for it, and when they put out memos selectively using data attempting to show us how it’s not worse at all it is disrespectful and embarrassing.

03-09-2022 | 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CBreezy

I'm all about partisan free posting. But many people can't help themselves so I have to weigh in.

actually, no, you don't

03-09-2022 | 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Iceberg

Right, we all know that an organized (or something that could be argued to be organized) effort by the pilot group to not pick up extra flying would be grounds for the company to sue the union. What’s being asked, is can the company’s escalation of available opentime and the enormous amount of additional green slips awarded be considered the same type of action but with the company (not management, we know none of them are accountable, just the faceless company) at fault?

Is status quo actually status quo or is status quo a one-sided affair favoring the company? You know, cuz no one in management changed anything over the last few years or made decisions that may or may not have resulted in a lack of staffing, reduced schedule quality, excessive training events, or any other such things that are negatively affecting pilot’s lives.

Reading the case law was actually pretty helpful in answering my question. The sited case did reference standard industry practice in scheduling a percentage of open time. That would be the wording ALPA would try to show the company exploiting.
However, I believe the case would loose. Reading that case was a great reminder that the RLA is setup to avoid interruptions in commerce at the expense of employee rights. Oh well, back to the drawing board…