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Old 04-16-2022 | 10:58 AM
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​​​​​​Wait, what? It absolutely does not and I've gotten paid several times for 23M7 this year alone for the company stopping trip coverage to NOOP and split.
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You might want to go look at LOA 20-04 section 5.B.2.5 where is states "...current offer and/or award call out may be stopped prior to the end of the 12- minute award window. In such event, no pilot will receive pay nor will there be any recovery obligation"
20-04 allows them to stop the callout if it’s been double covered or the leg has cancelled. Otherwise if they stop the callout a m7 is due pay even if it’s to break up and cover in smaller rotations

AR pilot is also correct, they can NOOP and split after attempting 1 step of coverage but they can’t stop mid callout and do it without paying a m7

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Old 04-16-2022 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by tunes
20-04 allows them to stop the callout if it’s been double covered or the leg has cancelled.
Where is the "double coverage or leg has cancelled" stipulations stated in 20-04, because I can find it.
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Old 04-16-2022 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
Where is the "double coverage or leg has cancelled" stipulations stated in 20-04, because I can find it.

That’s the best part right? It isn’t, but negotiators notes


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Old 04-16-2022 | 05:21 PM
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That’s the best part right? It isn’t, but negotiators notes


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If you are privy to negotiators notes, that great. I, as well as 99% of the rest of the seniority list aren’t, so might want to lead with that next time.
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Old 04-16-2022 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
If you are privy to negotiators notes, that great. I, as well as 99% of the rest of the seniority list aren’t, so might want to lead with that next time.

I’m on the scheduling committee so we deal with these almost daily.


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Old 04-16-2022 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by tunes
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That's awesome that you do and I know I speak on behalf of lots of line pilots that we thank you and SK and all the committee members for all you do for us line pilots.

My only feedback would be that I hope you can see how those of us without access to the background notes came to the conclusion we did because of the language that I quoted in 20-04 that just stated "may stop" with no amplifying info. I can only imagine the fine line there is between trying to keep the language "plain English" and adding so much info that we get into the legaleez space where only the SCOTUS can get to the bottom of it.
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Old 04-16-2022 | 06:45 PM
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Maybe you fine folks here can answer these questions.

I’m REG this month and RES next. Can I pickup or swap for an open time trip that carries over on top of my LC days?

Do carry out days count towards previous or future month’s GS trigger?

I also heard recently that you can swap with the pot across bid periods. That’s probably not possible when switching from REG to RES like I am? I couldn’t swap a this month trip for a next month trip when I’m RES?
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Originally Posted by neodd
Maybe you fine folks here can answer these questions.

I’m REG this month and RES next. Can I pickup or swap for an open time trip that carries over on top of my LC days?

Do carry out days count towards previous or future month’s GS trigger?

I also heard recently that you can swap with the pot across bid periods. That’s probably not possible when switching from REG to RES like I am? I couldn’t swap a this month trip for a next month trip when I’m RES?
There is no greenslip trigger for reserves.

SwP is allowed between REG to REG months only.
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Old 04-16-2022 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by neodd
Maybe you fine folks here can answer these questions.

I’m REG this month and RES next. Can I pickup or swap for an open time trip that carries over on top of my LC days?

Do carry out days count towards previous or future month’s GS trigger?

I also heard recently that you can swap with the pot across bid periods. That’s probably not possible when switching from REG to RES like I am? I couldn’t swap a this month trip for a next month trip when I’m RES?
Pickup via WS yes.

Swap board, no.

No GS Trigger for RES, so the days of the rotation that occur on your LC call days would just go toward the RES guaranteee
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Old 04-17-2022 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
That's awesome that you do and I know I speak on behalf of lots of line pilots that we thank you and SK and all the committee members for all you do for us line pilots.

My only feedback would be that I hope you can see how those of us without access to the background notes came to the conclusion we did because of the language that I quoted in 20-04 that just stated "may stop" with no amplifying info. I can only imagine the fine line there is between trying to keep the language "plain English" and adding so much info that we get into the legaleez space where only the SCOTUS can get to the bottom of it.
I hear you and I don’t disagree. This is one that could be worded better for sure. The intent was giving them good reasons to stop the callout and those were the two reasons. It’s to prevent them from arbitrarily doing it and not owing a pilot pay.
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