Any "Latest & Greatest about Delta?" Part 2
03-23-2024, 07:00 AM
#4771
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
UAL just went to 6 hours/month accrual for sick leave. A whopping 72 hours/year. I think at retirement you get paid half of unused balance
Would that be better?
Wonder how many pilots would be enticed to fly sick so as to bump up their balance? None because ALL pilots are professionals in charge of multi-million $$$$ airplanes?
I have the solution....250 hours per year, all treated as PTO. And accruable, and, paid out in full at retirement.
That ought to pass muster with the rank and file.
Would that be better?
Wonder how many pilots would be enticed to fly sick so as to bump up their balance? None because ALL pilots are professionals in charge of multi-million $$$$ airplanes?
I have the solution....250 hours per year, all treated as PTO. And accruable, and, paid out in full at retirement.
That ought to pass muster with the rank and file.
03-23-2024, 07:02 AM
#4772
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Originally Posted by 170Till5
it’s our BENEFIT to use. Doesn’t have to be sick, pilots can be grounded to not fly for other reasons IMSAFE. Use it or lose it - if Delta had a better program where our sick time could be cashed out like the FA’s have, or roll over like AA pilots have - I’m sure overall sick calls would be down.
it’s a benefit - use it or lose it. It’s not abuse if you aren’t feeling 100% up to the job that day. But each their own.
it’s a benefit - use it or lose it. It’s not abuse if you aren’t feeling 100% up to the job that day. But each their own.
Our sick tied into how it rolls into STD and LTD has generally been considered a industry best. It dramatically better for pilots in the first 10 years.
Until the contract they just signed AA's overall sick/disability was horrid. They pattern bargained off of us to improve it.
03-23-2024, 07:05 AM
#4773
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Originally Posted by OOfff
I’m sure pilots would love that. Good luck negotiating for it
Thought it was self evident, thus I ommited the <sarc> attribution.
What's that saying, "If you don't ask for it, you will never achieve it"?
There is an unlimited negotiation pie to be cut up...isn't there? <sarc>.....<sarc>.....<sarc>
03-23-2024, 07:12 AM
#4774
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I think you need to seriously look at those programs you call better. Yes the flight attendants have the ability you mention but they get only 56 hours a year. I am 100% sure the company would switch us to that program yesterday. In addition any flight attendant sick call around a holiday is a mandatory doctors note. The AA pilots accrue around 5 hours a month and can roll it. We get 22.5 hours a month.
Our sick tied into how it rolls into STD and LTD has generally been considered a industry best. It dramatically better for pilots in the first 10 years.
Until the contract they just signed AA's overall sick/disability was horrid. They pattern bargained off of us to improve it.
Our sick tied into how it rolls into STD and LTD has generally been considered a industry best. It dramatically better for pilots in the first 10 years.
Until the contract they just signed AA's overall sick/disability was horrid. They pattern bargained off of us to improve it.
Filler
03-23-2024, 07:13 AM
#4775
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Originally Posted by Khantahr
I just want to be able to drop a trip with pay, which is exactly what PTO would be. SkyWest has it too. Obviously it would be subject to coverage, but it could pull from the same bank as calling in sick.
Most other industries you can't just take it either, you have to get it approved first. Calling in sick is always different.
Most other industries you can't just take it either, you have to get it approved first. Calling in sick is always different.
We actually have all the above benefits. You just need to be familiar with the PWA and how the different banks work.
Last edited by notEnuf; 03-23-2024 at 07:24 AM.
03-23-2024, 07:19 AM
#4776
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
Getting our APD to be a paid drop would be a great start.
Originally Posted by notEnuf
Kinda like a paid APD. What a novel (not, we had that before) idea.
03-23-2024, 07:22 AM
#4777
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
Already mentioned
"Getting our APD
03-23-2024, 08:19 AM
#4779
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
Most pilots don't want to work on Fri, Sat, Sun They want to work Mon-Thurs. Thus Fri-Sun is harder to get off.
So shouid ALL Fri, Sat, Sun be paid premium?
So shouid ALL Fri, Sat, Sun be paid premium?
03-23-2024, 08:21 AM
#4780
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Originally Posted by interceptorpilo
Fangs: The post you replied to gave a way for “raw data” to not tell the whole or correct story. You go on to say you are not making a value judgement but then go on to value judge your fellow pilots and say “pilot’s are obviously cheating”. Please, please don’t go into management. BTW I have read Freakonomics.
You (among others) are missing and misconstruing my point. Which is that I’m not talking about management’s response (which I agree is over done and heavy handed), rather what I DID talk about is that there absolutely is obvious and statistically provable abuse going on by some pilots, just like the teachers who cheated on standardized tests, or sumo wrestlers who colluded on matches in Freakonomics. Writ large, it’s indisputable and obvious.
Maybe I'm a poor communicator, but I don’t get why that’s so hard to grasp.
I will also add, UA and AA have very different sick systems. I’d bet if we were to go from 240-270 hours of sick annually, to a mere 60-70 with “rollover” the squealing would be deafening, and there would not be enough pitchforks and torches for the reps who pushed/allowed it.
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