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Old 03-25-2024, 10:31 AM
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It makes sense what notenuf is saying, though you're probably just better off getting paid the credit now vs waiting to cash it in later. My biggest issue with this plan is that, as a chronic reserve bidder, I rarely hit 80 hours of credit in a month. I think the only months I've come anywhere close to that is vacation months.
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Old 03-25-2024, 11:33 AM
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It makes sense what notenuf is saying, though you're probably just better off getting paid the credit now vs waiting to cash it in later. My biggest issue with this plan is that, as a chronic reserve bidder, I rarely hit 80 hours of credit in a month. I think the only months I've come anywhere close to that is vacation months.
Even then, while you may be getting > 80 hours pay, you are nowhere near that in credit in vacation months. More like 29 hours of vacation pay (pay/no credit), plus a personal reserve guarantee around 50-60 hours pay AND credit.
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Old 03-25-2024, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by interceptorpilo View Post
But why bank it? Why not just get paid for it that month?
Bank it to buy pseudo-vacation day(s) that are then used to IVD for additional time off when you feel like it, without impacting normal vacation.
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Old 03-25-2024, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by interceptorpilo View Post
But why bank it? Why not just get paid for it that month?
Bank it to buy supp, aka pseudo-vacation day(s) that are then used to IVD for additional time off, without impacting normal vacation.
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Old 03-25-2024, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by interceptorpilo View Post
But why bank it? Why not just get paid for it that month?
Because then I can use it as I choose. 5 hours for GS month. Pay my VAC or IVD when I have already used that bank. Top off a RES month. Pay myself a little extra in a month I chose to put some “me” stuff on the credit card. Collect it at a higher rate either next year, next seat, or next contract. Having hours in the banks gives you flexibility… like dropping a trip and then getting paid for it.
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Old 03-25-2024, 01:05 PM
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I guess I can't convince you. Did nobody see where I said it wasn't PTO in the conventional sense but the result is the same? Oh well, I tried. The effect is the same and the extra credit time came from a source that was not me working extra. You can choose to waste that credit but I choose to recover it. Every time I try to help, the internet instead benefitting, ignores the requested advice and argues. Some will see the light, others... no. Continue to argue for a bennefit that will never be achieved but already exists all because you don't like the label.
You're not recovering anything, you're working extra and deferring the payment from it.

Other airlines, have exactly what we've been describing, it is 100% achievable. It boils down to being able to use your sick time for personal reasons without having to lie about it.
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Old 03-25-2024, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf View Post
Because then I can use it as I choose. 5 hours for GS month. Pay my VAC or IVD when I have already used that bank. Top off a RES month. Pay myself a little extra in a month I chose to put some “me” stuff on the credit card. Collect it at a higher rate either next year, next seat, or next contract. Having hours in the banks gives you flexibility… like dropping a trip and then getting paid for it.
The only actual advantages you listed are using it to get over the GS trigger, and collecting at a higher pay rate. All the other stuff is just getting paid later for work you already did, and giving the company an interest free loan on it (unless you take it at a higher rate)
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Old 03-25-2024, 01:16 PM
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You're not recovering anything, you're working extra and deferring the payment from it.

Other airlines, have exactly what we've been describing, it is 100% achievable. It boils down to being able to use your sick time for personal reasons without having to lie about it.
You can see it as banking time flown or the sick time. It's all the same yet the sick time doesn't cost me any of my own time. You are hung up on your label so I'm done. Good luck. BTW, It benefits me greatly but probably won't work for you because... reasons. Now that I said the technique out loud let's see if management tries to curb sick credit. The next negotiation will be key to get your "PTO." What do you think management will want for a quid? More "good deal" shout downs for other good deals is kinda like moving money from one pocket to the other such as PS forfeit for a "raise."

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Old 03-25-2024, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf View Post
More "good deal" shout downs for other good deals is kinda like moving money from one pocket to the other such as PS forfeit for a "raise."
And yet when I was a new hire in the 90s, profit sharing was decried as a fools errand, and we needed to not waste any brain cells on it, because "guaranteed" pay rates were better. Strange indeed. (I disagree with that sentiment, btw, as we likely all do, but it is interesting seeing perspectives change over the years).
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Old 03-25-2024, 02:37 PM
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This would have qualified for FMLA and your sick bank (edit: might have) been qualified to use. Why does no one here at Delta talk about FMLA? A federal protection. Have to be at a company for 1 year though. It allows you to take care of family members who are sick, child with diabetes, someone with cancer, etc.. I believe it draws from your sick bank - previous airline I worked for it did and I’m pretty sure the FA’s at Delta it does too.

also short term disability and DPMA could have kicked in to help with the bills depending how long you’re out.
FMLA was unpaid. I was also on probation in my first year, and I wasn't based in New York or California.

Point remains. There's lots of circumstances that prevent us from reporting for work that fall outside our PWA defined "sick". It's not a matter of staffing. You're not going to work one way or the other. It's just whether you go unpaid or use the "sick" bank. Many will call in sick..and if they get a GFB call, will have to lie about some ailment or condition. I think the whole setup needs further review. There should be more qualified reasons to use the sick bank. Perhaps even allow us to borrow from our regular bank, then repay it with unused sick.
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