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Old 02-25-2025 | 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
When have they ever been friendly to labor?
false binary.

an administration can be more anti-labor or less anti-labor, not simply pro- or anti- labor.
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Old 02-25-2025 | 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
false binary.

an administration can be more anti-labor or less anti-labor, not simply pro- or anti- labor.

Lol so the answer is never?
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Old 02-25-2025 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Uninteresting
#longsleeves
Used to scoff at this. (I still scoff at the VERY few pilots wearing sun sleeves with short sleeved shirts in the terminal).

The younger generation is probably better than the olds when it comes to sun protection and hydration.

They're going to live forever (jokes on them, age 65 is an immutable force of nature.)

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Old 02-25-2025 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
Lol so the answer is never?
depends on your own personal line of what “pro-labor” actually means.

however, to pretend any two administrations that have been “anti-labor” are the same in terms of our contractual gains is myopic
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Old 02-25-2025 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
Current climate? Come out and say it….. your bias is showing BTW.

Didn't we lose the 76 seat under the last people in charge?

Wake up. No political party gives a crap about us. Look at the railroad workers and what they had to swallow under the “union friendly” leadership.
Apologies, I didn' think I was stating anything controversial. The current climate (and arguably the climate under previous administrations) is decidedly unfriendly to labor.
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Old 02-25-2025 | 05:31 PM
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https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...k-unions-tesla

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/23/trump-anti-worker-union-statements

https://www.fastcompany.com/91157177...eally-believes

https://katu.com/news/local/senators-ask-trumps-labor-department-nominee-where-her-allegiance-would-lie#

no help
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Old 02-25-2025 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
false binary.

an administration can be more anti-labor or less anti-labor, not simply pro- or anti- labor.
Bloch has been making terrible decisions for decades. The current political climate has nothing to do with it.
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Old 02-25-2025 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
the nlrb and nmb will both be very much affected by the current climate.
the NMB doesn’t affect mediation or arbitration.
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Old 02-25-2025 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
Trump has a weird affinity for pilots (because we're so good looking), so if he has to get directly involved in something I think that could be good for us. And don't forget it was his administration that approved an extremely generous bailout for the airlines during covid (mostly Mnuchin's doing).

However, with tariffs, the mishandling of the economy, and the purposeful devaluation of the dollar, I believe airline profits aren't going to be very strong by the time we're in section 6 which will make it difficult to make major gains. And we all know the company will want concessions like usual. So I'm sure it'll be a long road.
I really believe this is wishful thinking. Trump as a developer has a long history of stiffing “the help”. Subcontractors, lawyers, etc.

Not to mention Elon Musk who seems to have some kind of undefined but extremely powerful role in the federal government right now.

What do two billionaires hate more than anything? What’s a nagging thorn in their side and a continuous, costly liability on the balance sheet? Labor.

The idea that there exists some “soft spot” for good old boy legacy airline pilots, and that the president would ever come to bat for us in some vague way I think is ridiculous.

we’re way more useful as a punching bag anytime he’d need to fire up his populist base. Imagine this:

“those FedEx pilots want MORE money? These are guys, they’re like bus drivers. Some of them make a million dollars a year. I’ve heard TWO million dollars. And they want MORE money in their new contract? How much do you make? They’re gonna get a deal I’m gonna make sure it’s gonna be a good deal I’ve talked to Fred Smith we’re gonna make it happen”

Hope I’m wrong!
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Old 02-25-2025 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Extenda
The idea that there exists some “soft spot” for good old boy legacy airline pilots, and that the president would ever come to bat for us in some vague way I think is ridiculous.
The idea that the other side is functionally more supportive of airline labor is equally ridiculous. Plenty of groups within our industry worked under expired CBAs for nearly all of Joe’s term. The United FAs went through all of his term with no progress.
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